WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.500 good evening 00:00:02.500 --> 00:00:05.000 welcome my name is Justin Lawrence I 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.500 am a proud resident of Bernardston 00:00:07.500 --> 00:00:10.000 a proud graduate of Franklin County Tech 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.500 and I'm currently serving as the school's 00:00:12.500 --> 00:00:15.000 adult education coordinator 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.500 before we get started with our panel tonight 00:00:17.500 --> 00:00:20.000 I want to start by thanking Dr Michelle Chute 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.500 president of Greenfield Community College for 00:00:22.500 --> 00:00:25.000 generously allowing us to use this 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.500 space GCC has been 00:00:27.500 --> 00:00:30.000 a strong educational partner for Franklin County 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.500 back over the years and we truly appreciate their 00:00:32.500 --> 00:00:35.000 continued support for hosting us this 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:37.500 evening we're here tonight to learn more 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:40.000 about the proposed building project for Franklin 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.500 County Technical School our panelists 00:00:42.500 --> 00:00:45.000 on the deis will speak shortly 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.500 and they're here to share facts and considerations 00:00:47.500 --> 00:00:50.000 that have led us to this point this 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.500 evening this is our district leadership 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:55.000 and we are appreciative 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.500 of them being here as well 00:00:57.500 --> 00:01:00.000 I've had the unique vantage point 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.500 on this project as an employee an 00:01:02.500 --> 00:01:05.000 alumni and also as a 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.500 taxpayer 1 thing that has 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:10.000 stood out clearly to me throughout this process is 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.500 The Prudent and careful consideration 00:01:12.500 --> 00:01:15.000 that has brought us to this moment 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.500 today I am confident that the 00:01:17.500 --> 00:01:20.000 information that you'll hear tonight is accurate and 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.500 that the conclusions have been reached with great 00:01:22.500 --> 00:01:25.000 seriousness and a genuine concern 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.500 for what is right not just 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:30.000 for our students but our 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.500 Community as a whole the 00:01:32.500 --> 00:01:35.000 labor market data is very clear the 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.500 demand for skilled trade professionals continues 00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:40.000 to grow with that comes an increasing 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.500 responsibility to invest in vocational education 00:01:42.500 --> 00:01:45.000 Franklin County Technical 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.500 school has always and will continue to 00:01:47.500 --> 00:01:50.000 answer that call by providing our 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.500 students of all ages and backgrounds the 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:55.000 very best technical education possible 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.500 TS is 00:01:57.500 --> 00:02:00.000 not just a height a high school 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.500 it's a Lifeline to the community that we serve 00:02:02.500 --> 00:02:05.000 every conversation around this project 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.500 has been approached with respect for the magnitude 00:02:07.500 --> 00:02:10.000 of the ask and our panelists 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.500 will do their best to address the most common questions 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:15.000 while conveying both the urgency 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.500 of the need and the respect you all deserve 00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:20.000 tonight we aim to be honest 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.500 and straightforward about the current needs of our facility and 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:25.000 the reasons that replacement is being proposed 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:27.500 instead of renovation I assure 00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:30.000 you that this information is being presented 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.500 with great care and thoughtful consideration 00:02:32.500 --> 00:02:35.000 of the broader economic challenges that 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.500 are facing our region after 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:40.000 our panel presents we will open the floor to additional questions 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.500 as you listen to tonight please take note of 00:02:42.500 --> 00:02:45.000 anything that you would like to ask if a question comes 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.500 to you after we finish tonight uh and 00:02:47.500 --> 00:02:50.000 our session ends please feel free to 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.500 reach out to us via our website if you pick 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:55.000 up that half page there's a QR code 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.500 that you can scan that will give you more information about 00:02:57.500 --> 00:03:00.000 the project and also provide contact 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.500 information without further 00:03:02.500 --> 00:03:05.000 Ado I will hand things over uh to 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.500 our panelists who will start the presentation and 00:03:07.500 --> 00:03:10.000 hopefully they remember to introduce themselves before 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.500 they start reporting on their 00:03:12.500 --> 00:03:15.000 slides 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.500 I'm Rick Martin the school superintendent Franklin County 00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:20.000 Tech hello Liz bushard 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.500 business manager I'm rich clits 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:25.000 uh School Committee Member hi 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.500 I'm Julie Architects 00:03:27.500 --> 00:03:30.000 architect for the project 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.500 good evening everybody my name is Tim Alex I'm with Collier 00:03:32.500 --> 00:03:35.000 project leaders we're the owners project managers 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.500 for the project 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.500 all set Alex okay thanks 00:03:42.500 --> 00:03:45.000 um I would just like to start off 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.500 um which some information that 00:03:47.500 --> 00:03:50.000 I know some of you have already heard but some 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.500 of you have not in regards 00:03:52.500 --> 00:03:55.000 to how we first got started with the project 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.500 it was approximately 8 to 10 years ago 00:03:57.500 --> 00:04:00.000 where our lights at our facility begin to flip 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.500 on and off we called in some consultants 00:04:02.500 --> 00:04:05.000 and they informed us that our electrical switch 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.500 gear made by Federal Pacific was beginning 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:10.000 to um end 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.500 of its useful life so 00:04:12.500 --> 00:04:15.000 with that they indicated that we 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.500 should probably refurbish and rebuild 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:20.000 1 and that will take approximately 2 months from 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.500 an outside company not named 00:04:22.500 --> 00:04:25.000 Federal Pacific with 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.500 that uh we were able to get a 00:04:27.500 --> 00:04:30.000 switch gear in place 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.500 as a standby when 00:04:32.500 --> 00:04:35.000 we had it delivered on a Wednesday it 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.500 was a Friday night that same week uh 00:04:37.500 --> 00:04:40.000 where the light flickered and 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.500 did not come back on at that point we hired 00:04:42.500 --> 00:04:45.000 some Consultants to come in they had 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.500 back up and running within 24 hours and 00:04:47.500 --> 00:04:50.000 if we didn't get ahead 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.500 of it on that particular electrical switch 00:04:52.500 --> 00:04:55.000 gear and those switch gears weigh anywhere is up to 500 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.500 pounds each and when they go 00:04:57.500 --> 00:05:00.000 down the entire building goes down 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.500 along with it so we would have been out of school for 00:05:02.500 --> 00:05:05.000 about 2 months that got us 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.500 to think maybe we should look at all of our other 00:05:07.500 --> 00:05:10.000 internal structures because as 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.500 anyone can see the external part of the building looks 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:15.000 beautiful our staff and our landscape 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.500 escaping kids have done a great job keeping the 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:20.000 facility looking nice but the interior was a 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.500 real problem so when you invited the 00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:25.000 msba out to take a look that is the 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.500 Massachusetts school building authority when 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:30.000 we had them come out to take a look at office 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:32.500 facility to see if we would be eligible 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:35.000 we were towards the bottom of their list when they 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.500 left our facility we went to number 1 because 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:40.000 they saw the interior 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.500 structures of our facility was not sustainable 00:05:42.500 --> 00:05:45.000 so when we 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.500 look at um 00:05:47.500 --> 00:05:50.000 okay you already have it up there um some 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.500 of the cost estimators 00:05:52.500 --> 00:05:55.000 not from Franklin County Tech but these 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.500 were independent cost estimators um 00:05:57.500 --> 00:06:00.000 get an idea of how much it would cost 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.500 to fix the current building that was our major 00:06:02.500 --> 00:06:05.000 concern so we could be mean um 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:07.500 viable and have an occupancy permit 00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:10.000 so as you can see that added 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:12.500 up pretty quickly because once you 00:06:12.500 --> 00:06:15.000 do a major project like change out the electric 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.500 mechanical system 00:06:17.500 --> 00:06:20.000 then you are no longer a grandfathered into the 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.500 sprinkler system and then they 00:06:22.500 --> 00:06:25.000 have to make sure that your roof is all set we've already had 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.500 2 roof coatings you're not 00:06:27.500 --> 00:06:30.000 allowed to get a third until you do a complete tear 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.500 down in rebuild of your current roof 00:06:32.500 --> 00:06:35.000 and that started 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.500 to add up so we got 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:40.000 an idea what it would cost to fix 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.500 just to update to code our 00:06:42.500 --> 00:06:45.000 existing building 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.500 next slide yep 00:06:47.500 --> 00:06:50.000 so when we calculated all that 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.500 not we but when the when 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:55.000 the cost is they said it would be about 103 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.500 million dollars for construction uh 00:06:57.500 --> 00:07:00.000 to renovate up to code 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.500 and the soft cost are 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:05.000 now calculated in so that was different than our last meeting 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:07.500 um at 23 million 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:10.000 so it would be approximately 126 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.500 million to get 00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:15.000 our building up to code 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.500 and we were big Believers at our facility our 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:20.000 kids and our community have done a great job with Franklin 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.500 County Tech for the last 50 years 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:25.000 and we needed to start making 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.500 strategic plans for the next 50 years 00:07:27.500 --> 00:07:30.000 and how we are able to better serve 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.500 of uh students within our communities 00:07:32.500 --> 00:07:35.000 next slide 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.500 so the repair that 00:07:37.500 --> 00:07:40.000 you just saw would not in would 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.500 not include any changes to 00:07:42.500 --> 00:07:45.000 the education shops in classrooms 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:47.500 um there'd be a quiet square footage per 00:07:47.500 --> 00:07:50.000 student uh the improvements 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.500 to the site Energy Efficiency improved 00:07:52.500 --> 00:07:55.000 Acoustics of safety or the accessibility 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.500 and flexibility there's a lot of changes 00:07:57.500 --> 00:08:00.000 that have um been put into 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:02.500 case with Vocational Technical education in the last 50 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:05.000 years and it 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.500 does not impact I mean it 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:10.000 will not include those additional changes 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.500 plus when you go up to code you 00:08:12.500 --> 00:08:15.000 are not eligible for the msba 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.500 embarrassment so that's unfortunately 00:08:17.500 --> 00:08:20.000 um the reality 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.500 and it would have a 00:08:22.500 --> 00:08:25.000 major disruption you can't put on a new roof in 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.500 under 5 years because you got to keep relocating students 00:08:27.500 --> 00:08:30.000 from 1 area rebuild that 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.500 move go to another area rebuild that 00:08:32.500 --> 00:08:35.000 roof and continue on until 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.500 you have completed next slide please 00:08:42.500 --> 00:08:45.000 so as you can see um 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.500 the other concern with 00:08:47.500 --> 00:08:50.000 the bringing it up to code and 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.500 we considered all of these things was 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:55.000 you were more than likely only going to be eligible for 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.500 a 15-year Bond because the bonding 00:08:57.500 --> 00:09:00.000 mechanisms are not going to pour 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.500 long-term bonds into a building 00:09:02.500 --> 00:09:05.000 that needs continuous upkeep 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.500 so with that price of the bond 00:09:07.500 --> 00:09:10.000 on the 126 million even though we wouldn't 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.500 do it all in 1 bond that would be done through continuous 00:09:12.500 --> 00:09:15.000 Bond broken up as we phase 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.500 in each individual um portion 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:20.000 of the project is just a 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.500 continuing cause to the taxpayer at 00:09:22.500 --> 00:09:25.000 um a lot higher rate 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.500 when you calculate that over time 00:09:27.500 --> 00:09:30.000 when we look at the msba 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.500 project it's um 238 00:09:32.500 --> 00:09:35.000 million building but 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.500 after the 113 million reimbursement 00:09:37.500 --> 00:09:40.000 from the msba and again since the last 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.500 meeting these numbers are firm it 00:09:42.500 --> 00:09:45.000 would be about 122.8 million 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.500 um over a 30-year 00:09:47.500 --> 00:09:50.000 bond which would give our communities a 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.500 20-year reprieve after that 00:09:52.500 --> 00:09:55.000 and that would be the district share 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.500 so our concern was um looking 00:09:57.500 --> 00:10:00.000 at everything you're going to hear some more information as 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.500 relates to how we arrived at 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:05.000 that decision what other projects 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:07.500 such as bringing the building up to code um 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:10.000 having the existing building 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.500 and add Rena what what 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:15.000 um the cost was to that to a 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.500 complete renovation of the building what the cost 00:10:17.500 --> 00:10:20.000 was to that all those costs far 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.500 exceeded the cost on presenting right now 00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:25.000 um and I would like to turn 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.500 it over to the next slide 00:10:27.500 --> 00:10:30.000 yep uh thank you 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.500 so just Rick mentioned to 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:35.000 the msba and before we get too far into it just want to explain 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.500 a little bit who the MSB is and 00:10:37.500 --> 00:10:40.000 what's what's their purpose so the msba 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.500 is a a government agency that was developed 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:45.000 by your put in place by the legislature 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.500 back in 2004 its 00:10:47.500 --> 00:10:50.000 sole purpose is to provide or partner with communities 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.500 to provide funding uh for schools uh 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:55.000 public schools in the state of Massachusetts 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.500 so whether that's uh through various programs 00:10:57.500 --> 00:11:00.000 they have an accelerated repair program where 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.500 will do um certain infrastructure improvements 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:05.000 like roof Replacements which has been done or um 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.500 Door and Window projects but 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:10.000 they don't want to put money into a building that 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.500 just isn't sustainable isn't viable 00:11:12.500 --> 00:11:15.000 to continue so when they came 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.500 came and looked at um Franklin um 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:20.000 they saw as Rick saw mentioned 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.500 that they saw that there was a need 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:25.000 so there are other program that they have is this 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.500 core program and that's where you 00:11:27.500 --> 00:11:30.000 go through a very rigorous uh 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.500 process of review um 00:11:32.500 --> 00:11:35.000 submission of documentation for 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.500 review approval and then you move on to the 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:40.000 to the next process um 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.500 they distribute the 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:45.000 funds as equally as they can across 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.500 the different communities in the state but they 00:11:47.500 --> 00:11:50.000 can't fund everything um so there's a legislative 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:52.500 um a lot 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:55.000 of Mass General law and how you go go about determining how 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.500 much reimbursement a community would 00:11:57.500 --> 00:12:00.000 be eligible for so 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.500 Franklin County has a base reimbursement rate of 00:12:02.500 --> 00:12:05.000 60.42% so basically 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.500 $60 of every hundred dollars 00:12:07.500 --> 00:12:10.000 that's eligible dollars would be reimbursable 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.500 reimbursable there's also 00:12:12.500 --> 00:12:15.000 some additional uh points percent 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.500 Spanish points that we could get for reimbursement based on 00:12:17.500 --> 00:12:20.000 the school's track record of Maintenance 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.500 which we got the highest amount available uh 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:25.000 and then there's also some uh green 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:27.500 initiatives if we provide really 00:12:27.500 --> 00:12:30.000 based on energy management 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.500 um for the lifespan of of 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:35.000 the project going forward so uh 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.500 all that totals we come up with about 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:40.000 60 well it is it's 66.27% 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.500 of eligible costs 00:12:42.500 --> 00:12:45.000 so not everything is eligible 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.500 caps on certain square footage they 00:12:47.500 --> 00:12:50.000 have different process but really 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.500 that's um 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:55.000 in order to be uh eligible 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.500 for their funding we have to follow 00:12:57.500 --> 00:13:00.000 their process and and their rules 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.500 so with the schedule that we have 00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:05.000 um this is kind of a layout of the msba 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.500 process so in the very 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:10.000 beginning in the yellow on the left 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.500 hand side that's when um as 00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:15.000 Rick mentioned the school was invited into the 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.500 program so that's even before the architecture was 00:13:17.500 --> 00:13:20.000 involved before the OPM is involved um 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.500 then in the gray in back in 00:13:22.500 --> 00:13:25.000 2020 uh 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.500 5 we um we were 00:13:27.500 --> 00:13:30.000 hired the owner's project managers hired and 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.500 help the district bring on lavali brensinger 00:13:32.500 --> 00:13:35.000 as the architecture team um and 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.500 then from there we get a again approval 00:13:37.500 --> 00:13:40.000 from the msba before we're allowed to move forward and 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.500 and then we go into schematic and schematic 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:45.000 design and feasibility study 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.500 um so the feasibility study is really just looking at the site 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:50.000 looking at other sites if if Ernie 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.500 are available is it possible to do a 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:55.000 school on this site is it is 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:57.500 it feasible and we submit to the msba 00:13:57.500 --> 00:14:00.000 we get approval we move on to schematic design 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.500 and that's really where at the end of schematic 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:05.000 design we want to have consensus 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.500 on a budget on 00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:10.000 a schedule and a scope for the project and 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.500 so we present that to the msba and we 00:14:12.500 --> 00:14:15.000 did that and the board msba board 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.500 approved the project on their April 28th 00:14:17.500 --> 00:14:20.000 uh board meeting and so 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.500 now we're allowed to go into the next phase 00:14:22.500 --> 00:14:25.000 which is funding the project getting local support 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.500 um funding the the balance of 00:14:27.500 --> 00:14:30.000 the project so in October 6th 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.500 there will be a vote to um uh 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:35.000 appropriate funds for the for 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.500 the building project after that we 00:14:37.500 --> 00:14:40.000 would go through a uh design development 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.500 really getting some of the details pulled 00:14:42.500 --> 00:14:45.000 together before going into Construction 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.500 documents and really getting the details and the specifications 00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:50.000 and all those things uh spelled out 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.500 uh we'd be looking to go to bid 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:55.000 in the end of 2027 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.500 and then have about a 00:14:57.500 --> 00:15:00.000 2 and a half years to construct the new facility 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.500 uh basically on the same 00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:05.000 site but and we'll we'll go through that a little bit later in 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.500 the presentation but um at 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:10.000 the end of construction we would move the 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.500 students in to start uh for the 2030 00:15:12.500 --> 00:15:15.000 and 2031 school year 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.500 and and then we would go about having 00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:20.000 contractors do an abatement demolition 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.500 of the existing facilities and then re 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:25.000 rebuild the fields that were disrupted during construction 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:27.500 so that's kind of the timeline of 00:15:27.500 --> 00:15:30.000 the process it's it's a very lengthy Pro 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.500 process but again um in 00:15:32.500 --> 00:15:35.000 order to make sure that you're submitting and you're going through 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.500 all the proper planning and and investigation 00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:40.000 of different ideas and different 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.500 uh potential potential scenarios it 00:15:42.500 --> 00:15:45.000 just takes a a long process 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.500 to go about doing that but um uh 00:15:47.500 --> 00:15:50.000 right now we've just hit that major Milestone 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.500 at the msba board meeting and we're looking forward 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:55.000 to moving on to the next phase 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.500 okay I'll tell you a little bit about 00:15:57.500 --> 00:16:00.000 um what we've done so far 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.500 with a design and how we arrived at the design that we 00:16:02.500 --> 00:16:05.000 have um it all starts with actually pulling 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.500 together a vision before we put together any 00:16:07.500 --> 00:16:10.000 options we pulled together community members 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.500 school committee School uh 00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:15.000 Educators administrators 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.500 we include students in a couple of workshops 00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:20.000 where we talk about what is everybody really want out 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.500 of this project let's talk big picture 00:16:22.500 --> 00:16:25.000 about what we actually want what are our priorities obviously 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.500 our priority is about education 00:16:27.500 --> 00:16:30.000 um making sure 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.500 that we're delivering all of the opportunities that 00:16:32.500 --> 00:16:35.000 we can to students and how 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.500 we can develop them as a members of this community 00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:40.000 and um really develop that Workforce 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.500 and bring the community into the school 00:16:42.500 --> 00:16:45.000 but we want to do that with 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.500 Mount value in mind making sure that we're 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:50.000 getting the most bang for our buck in 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.500 every way that we can um that we're being 00:16:52.500 --> 00:16:55.000 sustainable in a very pragmatic way 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.500 the long-term costs for the building 00:16:57.500 --> 00:17:00.000 are kept in mind that 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.500 we're not losing sight of that but also 00:17:02.500 --> 00:17:05.000 building a character for Franklin Tech 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.500 that can take them into the next uh 50 years or 00:17:07.500 --> 00:17:10.000 even longer 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.500 those so that's the foundation of the project um 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:15.000 and then we look um obviously what you have 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.500 now the existing site a 00:17:17.500 --> 00:17:20.000 single-story building at a if you don't already 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.500 know the school I have a feeling that most of you do 00:17:22.500 --> 00:17:25.000 um there are significant 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.500 traffic and parking issues with 00:17:27.500 --> 00:17:30.000 the single loop around the building um people 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.500 are backing up to get out of the parking spaces into 00:17:32.500 --> 00:17:35.000 drive aisles and buses 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.500 and cars are in the same area it 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.000 can be really congested in a little bit dangerous so 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.500 we want to address that there is an 00:17:42.500 --> 00:17:45.000 opportunity at the back of the site and that c 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.500 area where um there's an 00:17:47.500 --> 00:17:50.000 opportunity to build their 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.500 in a way that doesn't disrupt um 00:17:52.500 --> 00:17:55.000 Regular class on 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.500 uh school activities while 00:17:57.500 --> 00:18:00.000 it's being constructed and then 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.500 the school can move into that building and 00:18:02.500 --> 00:18:05.000 um we can take down the existing building 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.500 for the fields that have been displaced 00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:10.000 in the meantime 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.500 really talking about what 00:18:12.500 --> 00:18:15.000 is the best use of 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.500 the site we looked at a lot of different options to 00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:20.000 start with option 1 is 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.500 really just what Rick was 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:25.000 talking about earlier really thinking through all of 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.500 the costs that it would take to do 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:30.000 a project and bring the the exist 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.500 testing building up to Modern standards um 00:18:32.500 --> 00:18:35.000 The Roof is 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.500 something that you know requires structural repairs 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.000 and then there's a um 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.500 sprinkler system so really pragmatically you 00:18:42.500 --> 00:18:45.000 have to think about taking down all the ceiling 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.500 feelings and how do you do that while students are in the 00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:50.000 space um how do we repair 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.500 the underground plumbing you 00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:55.000 have to rip up the floor but it's in an area where 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.500 there are like 40 00:18:57.500 --> 00:19:00.000 uh 5 ton 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.500 pieces of Machinery so it really takes 00:19:02.500 --> 00:19:05.000 the time to really think through all of those costs 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.500 and how to get it done um and 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.000 really compare that to what your other options are 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.500 it's really used as a baseline but uh 00:19:12.500 --> 00:19:15.000 msba would not participate in that 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.500 project but it helps you look at the 00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:20.000 other renovation options adding on to the building 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.500 um adding Standalone buildings 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:25.000 and moving some students out to those buildings while 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.500 you renovate um gives you more swing space 00:19:27.500 --> 00:19:30.000 um we also looked at 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.500 that you know sort of a compass model 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:35.000 we looked at all different configurations 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.500 for how we could use that back 00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:40.000 site and different um scenarios for 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.500 how the building was set up I'm you know their 00:19:42.500 --> 00:19:45.000 existing building is all 1 story so we do 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.500 did look at what it would take to do um the 00:19:47.500 --> 00:19:50.000 new facility at all 1 story as well it's 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.500 much more efficient to do at least a portion 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:55.000 of it as a 2 story building and keeping the building 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.500 compact um definitely uh 00:19:57.500 --> 00:20:00.000 is much more efficient in 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.500 in terms of dollars 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:05.000 so we come back to all of these options and 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.500 we evaluate them based on that criteria that 00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:10.000 we set at the beginning and as we 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:12.500 look at all of that um it was actually option 00:20:12.500 --> 00:20:15.000 8 um it's a it's 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.500 the second version of option 8 it was option 8 00:20:17.500 --> 00:20:20.000 a um that we ended up going with 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:22.500 it was um a compact 00:20:22.500 --> 00:20:25.000 layout but also the organization 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.500 really matched the goals of the 00:20:27.500 --> 00:20:30.000 project so in terms of the 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.500 night in the development that we'd be doing there um 00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:35.000 we're uh have the existing drive 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.500 that um comes 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:40.000 on from Industrial Boulevard and 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.500 creating a loop that um introduces 00:20:42.500 --> 00:20:45.000 a second drive it allows buses 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.500 and cars to be separated um both drives 00:20:47.500 --> 00:20:50.000 have access to the parking and 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.500 all students would be entering at the center of the 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:55.000 building so that's 1 Central 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:57.500 secure entry for public students 00:20:57.500 --> 00:21:00.000 everybody coming into the building 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.500 you can really have much better um 00:21:02.500 --> 00:21:05.000 ability to keep track of who's 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.500 coming and going from the building 00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:10.000 um it's also focused on 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.500 what's needed and not in all-in 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:15.000 approach it's not changing everything 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.500 we're keeping the stadium exactly where it is because 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:20.000 we don't need to renovate that um 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.500 no additional 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.000 Fields just replacing the ones that are there um 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.500 keeping that Tech and Aviation 00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:30.000 buildings that are already on campus that are 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:32.500 recently built in in very good shape um 00:21:32.500 --> 00:21:35.000 and then looking at 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.500 the 2-story building um 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.000 this 2-story front portion 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.500 um the first story is really 00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:45.000 um focused on the public 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:47.500 connection where we have a gym uh 00:21:47.500 --> 00:21:50.000 multi-purpose room cafeteria public 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.500 coming in to cosmetology and culinary 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:55.000 to um visit 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.500 the restaurant these programs um 00:21:57.500 --> 00:22:00.000 their ability to learn 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.500 is essential that the community is able to come into 00:22:02.500 --> 00:22:05.000 those spaces so really controlling that access 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:07.500 the second floor is 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:10.000 for quieter spaces like the academic 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.500 classrooms Health occupations and 00:22:12.500 --> 00:22:15.000 visual design program 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.500 um lots of lateral natural 00:22:17.500 --> 00:22:20.000 light into all of the classrooms was a 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.500 focus and having that acoustically separated 00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:25.000 from the shop areas which 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.500 are in that Wing towards the back those 00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:30.000 are the high Bay shop areas Manufacturing 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.500 Transportation construction trades um 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.000 those large shops 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.500 now the look of the building 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:45.000 is trying to keep it really straight forward 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.500 um the architectural character um 00:22:47.500 --> 00:22:50.000 it looks nice but it focuses really 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.500 on maintaining function and reflecting the 00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:55.000 community and really making it look like a modern vocational 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.500 school you know Franklin County 00:22:57.500 --> 00:23:00.000 um has a lot of industrial 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.500 era Mill buildings but that's coupled 00:23:02.500 --> 00:23:05.000 with the modern industrial buildings particularly on 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.500 Industrial Boulevard that are metal 00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:10.000 steel and concrete um so you 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:12.500 know the design sort of tries to blend that to make it 00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:15.000 really feel like it fits in this community 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.500 um Franklin County is known for their 00:23:17.500 --> 00:23:20.000 steel Trussell Bridges so taking that 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.500 as you know this metaphor between 00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:25.000 as The Vocational 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.500 School is a bridge between 00:23:27.500 --> 00:23:30.000 education and Industry 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.500 sort of using that as a focal feature that's 00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:35.000 the entry point at the center and 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.500 really um highlights the heart 00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:40.000 of the school where all the different clusters 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.500 of career career 00:23:42.500 --> 00:23:45.000 directions that students 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.500 can go in they collaborate they come together at 00:23:47.500 --> 00:23:50.000 that heart 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.500 rendering of the back of the building 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:55.000 um this is you know the high Bay shop 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.500 areas um with all the 00:23:57.500 --> 00:24:00.000 access that they need overhead door 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:02.500 yours access to outdoor building uh 00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:05.000 environments um and those 2 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.500 areas of the building Define a 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:10.000 courtyard in between them so for outdoor um 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.500 classrooms and getting kids 00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:15.000 in the um 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.500 landscape program can really do projects 00:24:17.500 --> 00:24:20.000 out in in that courtyard um 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.500 and it's all in this amazing rural 00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:25.000 setting that you guys um are fortunate to live in 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.500 but as we went through this whole design process 00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:30.000 um as Justin noted 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.500 um really focused on value and 00:24:32.500 --> 00:24:35.000 um really focused on uh 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.500 highlighting the spaces that the msba 00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.000 will reimburse you for 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.500 um meeting the requirements 00:24:42.500 --> 00:24:45.000 as efficiently as possible keeping the 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.500 building as compact as possible you're 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:50.000 not building any extra square footage that we don't need 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.500 I think good example of that might 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:55.000 be um other schools might consider doing 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.500 a large Auditorium which can be a 00:24:57.500 --> 00:25:00.000 focal point for the community but 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.500 um a large tiered uh Auditorium 00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:05.000 with a stage is not something that's 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.500 supported by the msba so 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:10.000 instead we're going for a uh 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.500 multi-purpose room that's 00:25:12.500 --> 00:25:15.000 more focused on providing 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.500 space for skills USA students for FFA 00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:20.000 uh opportunities 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.500 and events um AP 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.000 testing it has like a lot more versatility 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.500 to it and that's just an example of 00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:30.000 how we've tried to keep this the cost 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.500 in line 00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:35.000 so that gets us to 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.500 the the cost of the project so in 00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.000 the beginning we mentioned that we had 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.500 professional estimator who looked at all the various different 00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:45.000 options um as we go forward 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.500 and uh we bring in 2 separate 00:25:47.500 --> 00:25:50.000 estimators and we go through a Reconciliation process 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.500 so between 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:55.000 those 2 estimators looking at the project uh 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.500 looking at the the 00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:00.000 scope and at the level of document 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.500 that we had um they've come 00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:05.000 to a consensus or we've 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.500 put together those 2 estimates to come to a 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:10.000 consensus for a project cost of 236.6 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.500 million 00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:15.000 so as we mentioned we needed to 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.500 That Base to be able to go into the 00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:20.000 msba and let them know what our budget was 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.500 we showed you our schedule of what our schedule 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:25.000 is and the program has been developed 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.500 in the building is is based on uh 00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:30.000 the program not 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.500 shoehorning the program into an existing building 00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:35.000 and so is Rick mentioned these are spaces 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.500 that for the future and for current spaces 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:40.000 the deficiencies that you have now we're 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.500 trying to address with this new with this new facility 00:26:42.500 --> 00:26:45.000 so with the MS 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.500 ba may also mention that there's a lot of caps 00:26:47.500 --> 00:26:50.000 on different line items within the budget there's 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.500 a limit on dollars per square feet or 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:55.000 dollars per site um limits 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.500 on how much they'll reimburse 00:26:57.500 --> 00:27:00.000 for furniture or computer equipment 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.500 but um of eligible costs 00:27:02.500 --> 00:27:05.000 they would reimburse 66.27% 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.500 so once 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:10.000 we break down what their 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.500 basis of uh El eligible costs 00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:15.000 are and what what is excluded 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.500 we come up with a maximum reimbursement from the msba 00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:20.000 of 113.8 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.500 million so 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.000 then obviously the balance comes on on the 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.500 the on the communities on 00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:30.000 the district to to pick up the balance of that 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.500 so that would be 122.8 00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:35.000 would be the district share 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.500 um we do have some 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:40.000 potential third-party funding which we didn't 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.500 subtract off of that 122 00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:45.000 because it doesn't really kick in until 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.500 the end of the project there's the IRA 00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:50.000 tax credits that are available for uh 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.500 or geothermal uh system 00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:55.000 HVAC system uh 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.500 there's also the Mass Save reimburse 00:27:57.500 --> 00:28:00.000 re rebates for uh electrical use 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.500 and high efficiency electrical components being installed uh 00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:05.000 but that's in the neighborhood of 8.6 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.500 million that we could receive uh 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:10.000 post occupancy so really 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:12.500 reducing the district share uh 00:28:12.500 --> 00:28:15.000 potentially down to 1 1 4. 2 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.500 so 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.000 I know these are huge numbers um 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.500 but I wanted to talk a little bit about 00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:25.000 how this project fits into other 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.500 msba projects so here's 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:30.000 a an example this is on 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.500 the mspas website so you can all go on if if you'd 00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:35.000 like but this shows the cost of msba 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.500 projects over the past well 00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:40.000 since 2004 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.500 so all those orange dots represent projects 00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:45.000 that have been completed audited 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.500 and you can see obviously the main 00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:50.000 takeaway there's a lot on this chart but the main takeaway 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.500 is costs just keep going up there's a 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.000 there's a definite curve it's definitely getting more 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.500 expensive uh as we going forward 00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:00.000 it's also uh 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.500 what the msba is is capable 00:29:02.500 --> 00:29:05.000 of reimbursing is also not 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.500 keeping up uh with the same curve 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:10.000 that the cost of construction 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.500 is so the the further you go move 00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:15.000 over from from 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.500 left to right on this chart the more percentage 00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:20.000 goes against the district cost 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.500 um but on the far left you'll 00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:25.000 see there's that red dot that represents 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.500 um this project so 00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:30.000 there's 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.500 there msba releases 00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:35.000 projects each year they release a 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.500 number of projects so you'll see those blue 00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:40.000 boxes around those grouping on the far 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.500 on the far right and you can 00:29:42.500 --> 00:29:45.000 see that our project 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.500 is kind of in the middle uh 00:29:47.500 --> 00:29:50.000 of the pack for this year's or this 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.500 this when this project came out and it's 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:55.000 slightly above maybe the year before or the 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.500 year before that but these projects also you 00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:00.000 have to remember that it's not 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.500 just vote Tech schools some of these are just elementary 00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:05.000 schools some of them are middle schools and high 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.500 schools so across the board um 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:10.000 I think that what this will 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.500 show is that as Julie mentioned um 00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:15.000 it is a pragmatic approach 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.500 it is a uh an efficient building 00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:20.000 it's um the dollars per square foot 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.500 although very high are 00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:25.000 in line or even below what other 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.500 your neighbors are doing in other communities 00:30:27.500 --> 00:30:30.000 um so the value for 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.500 what the the dollar cost is 00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:35.000 I think is pretty high on on this project 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.500 so unfortunately there's no way around these 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.000 this curve that keeps on going up uh 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.500 but we're trying to stay within at 00:30:42.500 --> 00:30:45.000 least a range or kind of lower the cost 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.500 of of just what costs 00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:50.000 are today 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:55.000 next slides are going to help us understand how these costs are 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.500 shared throughout our communities um this slide 00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:00.000 here explains the overall financing structure for the 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.500 proposed project through the msba partnership 00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:05.000 a significant portion of eligible costs is going 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.500 to be reimbursed by the state reducing the burden on our 00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:10.000 local taxpayers the District of Finance 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.500 at share through long-term bonding allowing cost 00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:15.000 to be spent over time annual capital 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.500 assessments are then distributed among our 19 member 00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:20.000 towns according to the district agreement using 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.500 a formula based equally on population using 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:25.000 the most recent US Census and property 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.500 valuation as reported by the Department of Revenue this 00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:30.000 ensured cost costs are shared fairly and 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.500 proportionately across the region 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.500 slide will 00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:40.000 help us understand um the annual Capital 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.500 assessments and the impact for each member Town based 00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:45.000 on the current calculations of the project 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.500 and they represent average annual cost um 00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:50.000 so that we can help understand and um the financial 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.500 responsibility of Our member towns so 00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:55.000 these figures May shift over time due 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.500 to valuation updates and financing conditions but 00:31:57.500 --> 00:32:00.000 I just wanted to provide some transparency for 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.500 fiscal planning um so 00:32:02.500 --> 00:32:05.000 just like um our district 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.500 agreement states and the sharing of the 50% 00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:10.000 population equalized valuation um the capital 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.500 assessments each of our towns have a percentage of 00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:15.000 their responsibility for the project 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.500 so these are noted by our 19 member towns here 00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:20.000 and what I did is gave an average um 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.500 of what the 30-year bonding 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:25.000 would look like for each of the member communities 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:27.500 and please keep in mind the bonding 00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:30.000 won't ramp up into for the 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.500 figures until about 2030 00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:40.000 um this next slide will help residents 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.500 evaluate the potential local tax implications um 00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:45.000 this is a link through to the 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.500 Department of Revenue this will also be on our website so 00:32:47.500 --> 00:32:50.000 people can help on um help yourselves understand um 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.500 the impact um it's a tax 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.000 calculator it'll help you estimate 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.500 um how the borrowing is going to affect 00:32:57.500 --> 00:33:00.000 your individual property tax bills 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.500 um based on the local property values um having 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:05.000 19 towns it's kind of hard to have everything 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.500 displayed in 1 clean calculator so 00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:10.000 I thought this link would help um using the Department of Revenue 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.500 um the next slide I'll 00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:15.000 show you too is going to show how each average home is impact 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.500 Ed um within throughout our member communities by this 00:33:17.500 --> 00:33:20.000 project 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.500 are you gonna try to click just 00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:25.000 to kind of show you how this tool works 00:33:27.500 --> 00:33:30.000 so this will be this is actually on the rmsb 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.500 a website um Linked In the Franklin Tech site so 00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:35.000 to use this calculator you'll essentially enter in your town 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.500 um and then the figures 00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:40.000 that will be on the website as well and that were on this slide you can 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.500 enter in that annual rate and that will show you the 00:33:42.500 --> 00:33:45.000 impact um to your household 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.500 um so you would if you know your assessed 00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:50.000 value of your home you can um enter that in um 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.500 or not enter it in you would see it on the grid below to 00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:55.000 try to get that um impact amount 00:33:57.500 --> 00:34:00.000 but the link is on the website 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.500 I am please let us know if you have any questions um 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.500 big thanks to Alex the 00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:10.000 IT person just proving that young Tech 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.500 experts are important 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.500 so 00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:20.000 in what I did on this next slide is I went into this calculator 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.500 and I found out what the 00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:25.000 average home increase with the tax impact would 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.500 be um for each of Our member communities so 00:34:27.500 --> 00:34:30.000 I plugged in that annual Capital assessment 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.500 um once we're in full bonding mode um 00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:35.000 and paying that full amount plugged that in 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.500 and then I was able to get from the Department of Revenue that 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:40.000 estimated um average home increase for your 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.500 for your taxes so you get an idea 00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:45.000 of what this um what this project I know it's 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.500 large um but how it would 00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:50.000 impact you personally 00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:55.000 and I know this project is costly 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.500 um and it's it's 00:34:57.500 --> 00:35:00.000 a lot of money to ask of our communities but working 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.500 with the msba is a great opportunity to maximize reimbursement 00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:05.000 um for a long-term Regional 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.500 investment and to benefit um sustainable 00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:10.000 educational facilities for decades 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.500 to come 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.500 thanks Liz um 00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:20.000 the good news 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.500 is I have the next to the last slide 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:25.000 that then 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.500 opens it up for questions so I'll be brief with 00:35:27.500 --> 00:35:30.000 this 1 so is the heading says that Franklin Tech 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.500 you know we build futures and so 00:35:32.500 --> 00:35:35.000 it may be 1 of the questions I'd like to ask is do 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.500 we have any graduates from Franklin County Tech in 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.000 the audience tonight maybe we could raise their hands 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.500 great thank 00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.000 you and parents of students 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.500 perhaps as well in the audience 00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:50.000 so that moves 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.500 to the point of what our first 00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:55.000 uh first bullet is here which is you know in 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.500 a recent survey and we have that data on our 00:35:57.500 --> 00:36:00.000 on our website as well 65 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.500 5% of graduates from Franklin County Tech declare 00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:05.000 that they are intention is to 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.500 move into the program of study which they 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:10.000 participated in that's the highest percentage 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.500 in the state um and 00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:15.000 I I think that's a testament to what Franklin County 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.500 protect us it's a testament to our communities 00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:20.000 and to the uh 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.500 Administration and to the policies 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:25.000 of how we have been able to have students come 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.500 to the district we look for kids that are 00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:30.000 going to benefit from the programs we offer 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.500 and we strive to make sure we're the right place 00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:35.000 for those right kids and we have many 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.500 instructors some of them sitting in the audience with us tonight 00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:40.000 they're not only graduates but are now 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.500 working at the district as instructors in 00:36:42.500 --> 00:36:45.000 their particular trade so it 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.500 shows the value of what happens to the 00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:50.000 community so it's quite possible that if you've 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.500 had a plumber or an electrician or an auto 00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:55.000 mechanic or well 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.500 you name it a veterinarian a 00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:00.000 vet tech uh assist you 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.500 in your house or with your pet or whatever might 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:05.000 be there's a very good possibility that 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.500 they have had some exposure to Franklin County 00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:10.000 Tech we're a 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.500 district of 19 towns our towns 00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:15.000 along with the district have always been committed 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.500 to giving an opportunity to 00:37:17.500 --> 00:37:20.000 students to gather an education 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.500 as Franklin County Tech offers um 00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:25.000 we work with you know local Workforce 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.500 Development we work with GCC as 00:37:27.500 --> 00:37:30.000 Justin mentioned before we have program 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.500 programs that dovetail into further education here 00:37:32.500 --> 00:37:35.000 at GCC and that other higher 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.500 level institutions um so 00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:40.000 it kids don't just necessarily go to Tech 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.500 and get a job kids go to Tech 00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:45.000 and get jobs they get careers 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.500 they further their education they really 00:37:47.500 --> 00:37:50.000 become an integral part of our community 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.500 and that's something that I've prided myself on 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:55.000 for the years that I've been involved I too 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.500 am a graduate of a Folk School a 00:37:57.500 --> 00:38:00.000 little bit before Franklin County Tech came 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.500 but I've been on the school committee for over 30 00:38:02.500 --> 00:38:05.000 years and it's because of the successes I 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.500 see that continue for me to want to be on that committee 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:10.000 I wish I could say I was the longest serving member we 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.500 have a member in the audience who's been on our committee for 00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:15.000 37 years that's a commit 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.500 meant to your community that's what we see at 00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:20.000 our school that's what we see from staff 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.500 and instructors in our students 00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:25.000 so we have a proud 50-year history over 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.500 the last I would say 10 years or 00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:30.000 so we've actually been able to bring 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.500 in over 11 million dollars in Grants I 00:38:32.500 --> 00:38:35.000 think the total over the 50 years would be double 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.500 or triple that but we've been able 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:40.000 to bring in Grants that started in 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.500 first of its kind Aviation program at a 00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:45.000 school in Massachusetts where we're located right on an airport 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.500 report and within the next few years we'll 00:38:47.500 --> 00:38:50.000 be graduating Aviation technicians that 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.500 will be able to go out into the industry 00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:55.000 with really high-paying 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.500 and good careers we recently rolled 00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:00.000 out our vet tech program 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.500 program that's going to bring much-needed technology 00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:05.000 and much-needed help to 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.500 the veterinary sciences in 00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:10.000 the region and it that's a program that 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.500 Dove tales with a program that GCC 00:39:12.500 --> 00:39:15.000 is working to offer we have 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.500 Healthcare where our students graduate with 00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:20.000 degrees in CNAs and uh 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.500 EMT and so forth and those dovetail 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:25.000 with programs that GCC offers so 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.500 we really are an integral part of the community um 00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:30.000 and I want to thank you for coming 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.500 tonight and I think we're at the point where 00:39:32.500 --> 00:39:35.000 we have uh Justin 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.500 taken over and asking answering 00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:40.000 questions that anyone might have 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.500 just before we start uh opening 00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:45.000 it up to the group I've got a curveball that I'd love to 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.500 throw uh to the panel especially the 3 00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:50.000 panel uh who are most connected to 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.500 the district could you folks share with us just a 00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:55.000 sentence or to um about 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.500 what you would like folks in the audience to remember 00:39:57.500 --> 00:40:00.000 when they go home about this project 00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:05.000 sure um well first 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.500 of all if you were behind the closed 00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:10.000 doors and understood how 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.500 um we all care about our 00:40:12.500 --> 00:40:15.000 communities and the difficult Financial 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.500 situations that everyone is I'm 00:40:17.500 --> 00:40:20.000 in I mean it was it's 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.500 a challenge I know we need a I 00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:25.000 know that we need a building but however we 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.500 have care and compassion of where we are 00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:30.000 with our communities in the 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.500 challenging times that we are in and there is never 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:35.000 going to be a perfect time is in 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.500 old or wise men told me the other day 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.000 to have a project that's going 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.500 to cost our taxpayers 122.8 00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:45.000 million over the 30 years and 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.500 we understand that so I want you to take that away 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.500 thank you 00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:55.000 anything else from 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.500 Google it's or Liz that you'd like us to remember as 00:40:57.500 --> 00:41:00.000 we leave today I guess what I 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.500 say is I've prided myself uh 00:41:02.500 --> 00:41:05.000 since I've been on the committee on how we've 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.500 been good stewards of our 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:10.000 district um members Monies 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.500 we've always been transparent 00:41:12.500 --> 00:41:15.000 in how we've spent the money 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.500 we've been transparent with select 00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:20.000 boards and finance committees and anyone 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.500 that has a question um and 00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:25.000 we will continue to do that and we we 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.500 are looking at what we needed for a building we 00:41:27.500 --> 00:41:30.000 looked at what we needed not what 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.500 we would have wanted but what was 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:35.000 going to be fiscally responsible 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.500 we chose an Architecture Firm that 00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:40.000 wasn't in the top too 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.500 costly firms in Massachusetts that 00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:45.000 some would have liked us to use we chose a firm 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.500 confirmed that prided itself on good old 00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:50.000 Yankee frugality and it really has 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.500 proved itself we had seen estimates that were 00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:55.000 much higher than this from other firms and 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.500 we looked at firms that built buildings 00:41:57.500 --> 00:42:00.000 that served the needs 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.500 and were built with the infrastructure 00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:05.000 to uh to sustain 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.500 a building for the next 50 years or more and 00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:10.000 uh that's that's what I'd like folks 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.500 to take away that we've really been careful 00:42:12.500 --> 00:42:15.000 stewards of all of our money because 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.500 many of us sitting in this audience and 00:42:17.500 --> 00:42:20.000 on this stage are taxpayers in this community 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.500 thank you we'll 00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:25.000 open it up now to the room if anyone has questions 1 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.500 thing I would like to ask uh we're 00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:30.000 recording this session for the 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.500 folks who couldn't make it here tonight so please 00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:35.000 only speak if you have the microphone and you 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.500 need to hold it quite close to your mouth and uh if 00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:40.000 you'd like to introduce yourself tell us where you're from and ask your 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.500 question we would appreciate it 00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:45.000 thank you um Christine Braugher 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.500 from the town of Leiden I have a couple of questions if you will um 00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:50.000 have we received a formal commitment letter 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.500 from the msba that they will fund 00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:55.000 66.7% 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.500 so we did have the uh they had a 00:42:57.500 --> 00:43:00.000 board meeting where it was voted and approved 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.500 um I'm not sure if we've 00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:05.000 um received the project scope 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.500 and budget agreement from them yet but that 00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:10.000 was just um a 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.500 few weeks or a week and a half ago so we're going 00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:15.000 to get a formal commitment letter and your 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.500 of that amount okay that's good um the other question is 00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:20.000 I've worked on a couple of msba projects myself and 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.500 I know that any project of this nature 00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:25.000 always has eligible and ineligible costs 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.500 how much of the costs of the 236 00:43:27.500 --> 00:43:30.000 million is ineligible 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.500 so 00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:35.000 basically the 122.8 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.500 million would be the ineligible amount or 00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:40.000 I'm sorry there's the 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.500 there's the cost that's eligible then there's the cost 00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:45.000 of what how much 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.500 once you receive backs because you're not receiving dollar for dollar 00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:50.000 back so it's um the 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.500 cost to the the the building cost 00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:55.000 is 236 the grant you would get 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.500 is 113.8 00:43:57.500 --> 00:44:00.000 so your cost is 120 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.500 2 but there is there's 00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:05.000 and I don't have it in front of me there is a a 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.500 basis of the grant that right 00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.000 so when you submit your your dollars 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.500 because I've done this some of the costs that you 00:44:12.500 --> 00:44:15.000 submit of the 236 is not going to 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.500 be eligible for the 66% reimbursement 00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:20.000 those costs will be paid 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.500 by us 100% what 00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:25.000 is that breakdown no 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.500 that's not what he said what is what is the what 00:44:27.500 --> 00:44:30.000 is the ineligible costs that we can 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.500 can't submit to the L 00:44:32.500 --> 00:44:35.000 msba I don't have the those numbers in front of me but 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.500 what it breaks down to is when you get 66% 00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:40.000 of the eligible dollars 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.500 that equals 113 so I'd have 00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:45.000 to do the math but and I have it 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.500 I can I we can provide it and put it in an 00:44:47.500 --> 00:44:50.000 answer the questions do that thank you 00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:55.000 is there any other question 00:44:57.500 --> 00:45:00.000 hi 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.500 uh Sabra Billings from Bernardston um 00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:05.000 I did quick math and the quick math that I did 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.500 um came out to be around 53 million like 00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:10.000 really rough um and and my 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.500 question was basically um I think the school 00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:15.000 looks beautiful um and I 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.500 leave a comment before my question is um 00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:20.000 I think that the you 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.500 know that the graduates that the tech school 00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:25.000 is um putting out into 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.500 the local economy like it like 00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:30.000 that impact to the economy is 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.500 really valuable right I'm having trouble I've 00:45:32.500 --> 00:45:35.000 been having trouble for probably like 6 weeks getting plumber 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.500 to call me back and I'm looking at the 00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:40.000 200 and something dollars a year that I'll have to pay an extra taxes 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.500 and it feels worthwhile to me to have 00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:45.000 you know the tech school pumping out 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.500 people who will take pressure off and help um I 00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:50.000 guess replenish you know people in the trades 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.500 who are retiring so I see that value um 00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:55.000 at the same time I'm sure everybody's aware municipalities 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.500 have so much pressure right now 00:45:57.500 --> 00:46:00.000 schools are having a hard time getting their budget 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.500 passed um so sort of to play Devil's 00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:05.000 Advocate I did do that rough rough math about 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.500 50 something million it looks like is 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:10.000 probably ineligible cost and so I'd 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.500 like to understand you know what would we be 00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:15.000 giving up if we built a school 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.500 school that was that was 00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:20.000 where all the costs were eligible for reimbursement 00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:25.000 I would say that a lot of the costs are actually 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.500 site costs and you 00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:30.000 you have the site that you have and you 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.500 have to work with it they do cap the 00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:35.000 site at a very low rate um and 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.500 I'm not sure you can 00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:40.000 actually have a 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:42.500 100% eligible project I'm 00:46:42.500 --> 00:46:45.000 not even sure that that's possible so by saying 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.500 mean things like like Demolition and that type of thing yeah right 00:46:47.500 --> 00:46:50.000 well also the cost 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.500 of construction today the msba does not 00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:55.000 reimburse 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.500 uh per square foot there's 00:46:57.500 --> 00:47:00.000 a cap on what they'll submit they'll reimburse per 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.500 but you cannot build 00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:05.000 a school of this nature for 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.500 that cost per square foot so every 00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:10.000 square foot that you you 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.500 build portion 00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:15.000 of that is going to be on the district to pay for 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.500 so the msba has a space 00:47:17.500 --> 00:47:20.000 summary template they want you to follow their space 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.500 summary so that's when Julie was 00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:25.000 saying that you really rightsize the spaces 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.500 you you you don't overbuild we don't build square 00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:30.000 footage we don't need to try and Max 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.500 maximize what is eligible because once 00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:35.000 you go outside that space summary every 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.500 square foot every dollar of every square foot 00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:40.000 beyond that is ineligible 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.500 but at at when you see the cost 00:47:42.500 --> 00:47:45.000 per square foot of these of construction 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.500 today the state doesn't provide 00:47:47.500 --> 00:47:50.000 they're not saying they're going to build this for 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.500 you they'll they'll they're helping you but they can't help everybody 00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:55.000 with all the needs and that's why when I 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.500 said that 20 years ago 25 00:47:57.500 --> 00:48:00.000 years ago the reimbursement 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.500 was roughly the cost of construction dollars per 00:48:02.500 --> 00:48:05.000 square foot nowadays it's it's 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.500 it's far apart and it's only continuing to 00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:10.000 get further apart 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.500 I had 1 other quick question if that's okay um so 00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:15.000 early in the presentation it said 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.500 you know the 30-year Bond Capital Bond 00:48:17.500 --> 00:48:20.000 those expenses would get passed on to the communities and then there 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.500 would be a 20 years with no capital 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:25.000 but um is that like based on uh 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.500 like warranties 00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:30.000 or what's the 20 years with no capital 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.500 assumption mean 00:48:32.500 --> 00:48:35.000 well the bond would be uh paid off 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.500 by then and when we look at our own 00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:40.000 School building it was not a significant uh 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.500 project that was done after 30 years our 00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:45.000 building was in tremendous shape and that's what 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.500 older technology uh less 00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:50.000 Energy Efficiency uh so we had mild 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.500 um construction 00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:55.000 but not anything that was um 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:57.500 going to be a burden to the taxpayers so that's just 00:48:57.500 --> 00:49:00.000 an assumption that the school's going to last for 50 years and 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.500 not need additional support that 00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:05.000 is what I am being told by our 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.500 wonderful Architects and opiates 00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:10.000 sorry my last question then is so 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.500 is the is 50 years the expected life of the 00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:15.000 building and if there were some smaller Edition 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.500 Capital expenses in that last 20 years could 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:20.000 it extend the life of the school so that 50 years from 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.500 now there's not another build required 00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:25.000 of course but I 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.500 won't be your architect in 30 years I'll tell you that 00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:30.000 much 450 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.500 you know I 00:49:32.500 --> 00:49:35.000 always count on the residents of Franklin County to have great intelligent 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.500 questions who else would like to 00:49:37.500 --> 00:49:40.000 address the panel 00:49:42.500 --> 00:49:45.000 Ariel oh is this close enough 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.500 Ariel Elon from Monty 00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:50.000 here 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.500 by the way I really I really love Tech 00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:55.000 education because people need to be in the real physical 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.500 world and know how to handle that so that's just a 00:49:57.500 --> 00:50:00.000 preface under 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.500 circumstances of 00:50:02.500 --> 00:50:05.000 our regular high schools 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.500 and middle schools being underpopulated 00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:10.000 and that affects 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.500 our state funding toward 00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:15.000 our school's operating budgets negative 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.500 in other words we really need as many students 00:50:17.500 --> 00:50:20.000 as we can in our regular local schools 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.500 so under those circumstances 00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:25.000 looking at a project with this kind of price tag 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.500 I just want to know what consideration 00:50:27.500 --> 00:50:30.000 or analysis did you give 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.500 to a different model of vocational 00:50:32.500 --> 00:50:35.000 education where you go to your local high 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.500 school either a certain number of days a week and 00:50:37.500 --> 00:50:40.000 then you're up at a a dedicated tech 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.500 school without needing to have an 00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:45.000 academic program at that location 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.500 you go there a day a week or you do 2 00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:50.000 or 2 and a half or 3 years in your 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.500 local school and then you devote a whole year or whatever 00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:55.000 you need to your Tech courses and 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.500 yes I know there would be scheduling and 00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.000 transportation questions about that 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.500 but I keep hearing on the radio that we have these fabulous 00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:05.000 AI programs that can very 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.500 easily crunch those scenarios and I want to know did 00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:10.000 you look at what I'm calling a hub and spoke model 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.500 because that's what I grew up with 00:51:12.500 --> 00:51:15.000 and uh it seems to still work in a lot of places 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.500 yeah that's um that is 00:51:17.500 --> 00:51:20.000 a model that is used in some states we have 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.500 that kind of a model that is done in New 00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:25.000 York as well where they'll go a couple of years to 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.500 their local high school then a couple of years 00:51:27.500 --> 00:51:30.000 to The Vocational School the way that 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.500 chapter 74 programs are 00:51:32.500 --> 00:51:35.000 set up is they are requiring an 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.500 x amount of hours to reach a 00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:40.000 competency so we have it full-time 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.500 every other week where we have a 00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:45.000 chapter 74 program that is 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.500 the week we took um a very much 00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:50.000 we took a lot of care and consideration for 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.500 the kind of building that we were going to build 00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:55.000 um we were the only msba 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.500 project um 00:51:57.500 --> 00:52:00.000 that was informed to me that 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.500 is constructing a school that 00:52:02.500 --> 00:52:05.000 is smaller than our current student population 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.500 um could we have built a 00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:10.000 school for 800 students and be able to fill 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.500 it probably would it be alright by 00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:15.000 our communities absolutely not 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.500 so we had 653 students 00:52:17.500 --> 00:52:20.000 and we're we 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.500 are going to be building a vote tech school to 00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:25.000 house 600 students so that's um 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.500 a significantly smaller I'd 00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:30.000 like to also add that we need to 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.500 part of the model that VTech 00:52:32.500 --> 00:52:35.000 schools follow in Massachusetts allows a 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.500 continuity of the educational process 00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:40.000 so there is a value to 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:42.500 having the students in the building where 00:52:42.500 --> 00:52:45.000 they also get their academics 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.500 schooling the some of the programs are geared 00:52:47.500 --> 00:52:50.000 toward things that the the students relate 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.500 to they're not going off to 2 or 3 different 00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:55.000 schools to learn math 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.500 and English they're you know they're getting 00:52:57.500 --> 00:53:00.000 their core competencies and those programs 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.500 from instructors who are integral to part of the school who 00:53:02.500 --> 00:53:05.000 who collaborate intimately 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.500 with the staff on what is the 00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:10.000 educational model that's needed for those students I'm 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.500 not an educator but we have a 00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:15.000 few folks in the audience are nodding their head 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.500 you know we have our vocational coordinator here you 00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:20.000 know director maybe Maggie nent or our 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.500 principal could talk to some of the value 00:53:22.500 --> 00:53:25.000 of having the students within the same building 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.500 sure there are other models the 00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:30.000 Massachusetts model is what we 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.500 followed um and it's worked effectively 00:53:32.500 --> 00:53:35.000 uh for Generations I understand 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.500 your question but I just want so 00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:40.000 you're saying that's actually a legal requirement in Massachusetts you 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.500 can't organize it a different way without changing legislation 00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:45.000 is there someone in the 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.500 in the audience who cares you just 00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:50.000 I'm 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.500 Maggie Nan I'm the vocational director um 00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:55.000 so as Mr Martin indicated we're 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.500 a chapter 74 uh 00:53:57.500 --> 00:54:00.000 wall-to-wall school all of our program 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.500 programs are chapter 74 so Massachusetts Department 00:54:02.500 --> 00:54:05.000 of Elementary and secondary education 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.500 uh directs and mandates 00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:10.000 how our our school is structured the 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.500 number of hours and then yes the expectation 00:54:12.500 --> 00:54:15.000 is that we have the academic 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.500 in the in the same building 00:54:17.500 --> 00:54:20.000 thank 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.500 you Maggie thank you 00:54:27.500 --> 00:54:30.000 hi um I'm Robin Pro 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.500 first and and the select board in the town 00:54:32.500 --> 00:54:35.000 of Heath and I'm a general contractor 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.500 own owner here in Greenfield 00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.000 so my question is about operational 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.500 costs and you 00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:45.000 started to talk about some of the 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.500 differentials between uh repairs 00:54:47.500 --> 00:54:50.000 in the existing facility Renovations 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.500 and the new construction 00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:55.000 and I'm looking at 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.500 uh wondering about operational costs how many costs 00:54:57.500 --> 00:55:00.000 have been looked at meaning 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.500 operational costs moving forward the 00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:05.000 way the school is now what 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.500 operations costs with the addition 00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:10.000 of those calls that come in every 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.500 day or every week or every month um 00:55:12.500 --> 00:55:15.000 every year for the fix this do that 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.500 and fix that go here grab this patch 00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:20.000 this versus those operational 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.500 costs when you start to do Renovations 00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:25.000 or larger scale repairs that you've talked about 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:27.500 um how that 00:55:27.500 --> 00:55:30.000 how that looks from an operation 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.500 number for our assessments um 00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:35.000 meeting with all of those movements of the kids 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.500 and the relocations those costs there's like a 00:55:37.500 --> 00:55:40.000 whole another chunk of money for operational 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.500 um cost in 00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:45.000 that scenario versus operation of the new facility 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.500 has that been looked at 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.500 there's a lot of nuance to your question so I'm going to start 00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:55.000 with just the fact that um a new 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.500 construction um with the MSB project is 00:55:57.500 --> 00:56:00.000 an energy efficient building so it's a 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.500 need for certified that that's 00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:05.000 the lead um uh 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.500 scorecard that we have to meet it has to 00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:10.000 be an electric building and it 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.500 has to be uh 00:56:12.500 --> 00:56:15.000 Net Zero ready meaning that we have 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.500 to keep the energy use intensity down and 00:56:17.500 --> 00:56:20.000 have the opportunity on 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.500 the site with which to have other renewable 00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.000 energies introduced to be 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.500 Net Zero that doesn't mean that 00:56:27.500 --> 00:56:30.000 those things have to be installed on day 1 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.500 so the new project is going to 00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:35.000 be energy efficient it's not going to be 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.500 reliant on fossil fuels and we're 00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:40.000 doing our we've done a life 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.500 cycle cost analysis for that project 00:56:42.500 --> 00:56:45.000 um and 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.500 the last project that we worked on 00:56:47.500 --> 00:56:50.000 on msba um the 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.500 energy model was actually higher 00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:55.000 than what they came back with 1 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.500 year after operation so I'm not saying 00:56:57.500 --> 00:57:00.000 that all of them are going to be like that but 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.500 we do our best to be as energy efficient as 00:57:02.500 --> 00:57:05.000 possible that being said it is a 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.500 larger building will it equal what they're 00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:10.000 paying for operational costs 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.500 right now I'm not sure that we've done that 00:57:12.500 --> 00:57:15.000 analysis of everything that you're paying right now 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.500 not just in utilities but in repairs 00:57:17.500 --> 00:57:20.000 and really analyze 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.500 that against what the new building would be I 00:57:22.500 --> 00:57:25.000 think that's a great question and and probably something that 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:27.500 we'll be talking about in the next week 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.500 process always helps 00:57:32.500 --> 00:57:35.000 us to refine so we appreciate your 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.500 questions 00:57:37.500 --> 00:57:40.000 um I'm Paul 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:42.500 Hollings I'm from Shelburne I'm involved in the Mohawk 00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:45.000 Trail uh school system um 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.500 I've only lived here for 6 years so you began this 00:57:47.500 --> 00:57:50.000 planning process before I got here so I'm 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.500 not aware what was going on then um 1 00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:55.000 of the things that I have determined is that I 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.500 don't like is that the way the system is 00:57:57.500 --> 00:58:00.000 organized here which is different when 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.500 grew up with my kids did is that the tech 00:58:02.500 --> 00:58:05.000 school and the other public schools are almost 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.500 set up in competition and I 00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:10.000 I think that structure um is 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:12.500 is not great and in fact that you 00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:15.000 know the tech schools uh census 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.500 has gone up at the same time as ours or 00:58:17.500 --> 00:58:20.000 enrollment has gone up the same time ours has gone down there 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.500 may be you know 650 00:58:22.500 --> 00:58:25.000 600 maybe the right number but it was 450 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.500 so um so my question I'm getting I'm 00:58:27.500 --> 00:58:30.000 taking a long time to get to it but um I'm 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.500 curious what you did to solicit um 00:58:32.500 --> 00:58:35.000 input and critiques from 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.500 those who aren't your direct stakeholders you know your 00:58:37.500 --> 00:58:40.000 teachers your parents your students your um 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.500 that that group I mean you know we're 00:58:42.500 --> 00:58:45.000 the ones who are not affiliated 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.500 ated with the tech school directly who are going to be paying 00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:50.000 for it I'm just kind of curious because I I 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.500 don't you know 600 maybe the right number of them maybe 00:58:52.500 --> 00:58:55.000 450 is it was 10 years ago um 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.500 you know are there are you 00:58:57.500 --> 00:59:00.000 doing the right number of programs and how much did you sort 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.500 open that up to critique um because 00:59:02.500 --> 00:59:05.000 what we're looking at is you've all pointed out is 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.500 that um we're all 00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:10.000 strained I mean we're in Shelburne we're 11,000 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.500 from our tax levy uh and so 00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:15.000 I'm curious you know do you know how 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.500 many towns are going to be pushed to do an override 00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:20.000 if this gets approved 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.500 so that's a lot of questions I'm sorry to overload 00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:25.000 you well I'll take the educational portion of that 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.500 um as it 00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:30.000 relates to analysis of 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.500 how we went from 450 to 600 00:59:32.500 --> 00:59:35.000 um we really at 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.500 chapter 74 programs we really have to look 00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:40.000 at market analysis and what is 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.500 going on in the regional blueprint what's 00:59:42.500 --> 00:59:45.000 the number of jobs that are in demand 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.500 when we started to take a look at that we did 00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:50.000 notice that in like in the field of 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.500 Health technology for example we 00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:55.000 knew that medical assistant was a major 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:57.500 number 1 driver in the Pioneer 00:59:57.500 --> 01:00:00.000 Valley so we then developed a 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.500 program in addition to our health technology 01:00:02.500 --> 01:00:05.000 program for medical assistant 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.500 that then drove in additional students 01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:10.000 then we did the same thing when 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.500 we revamped through skills Capital grants 01:00:12.500 --> 01:00:15.000 um that were competitive 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.500 in a welding shop program 01:00:17.500 --> 01:00:20.000 and we had what the industry 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.500 standard was from our program advisory 01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:25.000 boards and we have a robotic arm and that 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.500 started to draw in additional students that 01:00:27.500 --> 01:00:30.000 apply um when 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.500 we were at 4:50 we weren't filled 01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:35.000 to capacity they were always open 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.500 slots so we just ran out of 01:00:37.500 --> 01:00:40.000 applicants it's it's to be 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.500 the case when more applicants started to show interest that's 01:00:42.500 --> 01:00:45.000 when we began to expand we 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.500 gastro noticed that 1 of the uh 01:00:47.500 --> 01:00:50.000 realities over the last decade 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.500 and some school districts here tonight are experiencing 01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:55.000 this today is that it's real 01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:57.500 expensive to send students off to 01:00:57.500 --> 01:01:00.000 a Smith Vocational School 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.500 at an average rate between 50 to 70,000 01:01:02.500 --> 01:01:05.000 dollars per student 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.500 because we don't have a program here at Franklin 01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:10.000 County Tech so we went 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.500 ahead and we um petitioned 01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:15.000 the state and applied for 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.500 chapter 74 certification for animal science 01:01:17.500 --> 01:01:20.000 that then enabled us under 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.500 that umbrella to then develop a veterinary 01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:25.000 science program and we 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.500 have heard from a lot of towns how 01:01:27.500 --> 01:01:30.000 many students that we kept 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.500 from going to Smith folk at a cost 01:01:32.500 --> 01:01:35.000 of a tremendous 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.500 amount rather than the average per 01:01:37.500 --> 01:01:40.000 people cost of our district is around 13,600 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.500 so when 01:01:42.500 --> 01:01:45.000 you build a program sometimes you're going to 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.500 save money even though you're growing in enrollment and 01:01:47.500 --> 01:01:50.000 then we looked at our Aviation program and 01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:52.500 that was more of a Massachusetts Aviation 01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:55.000 task force initiative because 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:57.500 Airline is where you know paying 01:01:57.500 --> 01:02:00.000 75,000 to train 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:02.500 these individuals just to 01:02:02.500 --> 01:02:05.000 work on airplanes because the retirement 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.500 of the World War II Aviation mechanics 01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:10.000 were they 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:12.500 were gone so jobs are like opened up all over 01:02:12.500 --> 01:02:15.000 the country and we started to 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.500 pursue the aviation maintenance technology and we received 01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:20.000 uh a grant that paid for everything uh 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.500 that entire facility because 01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:25.000 we have that that then increases 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.500 enrollment and I could go shop by shop but a 01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:30.000 lot of the things from an educational perspective 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.500 were driven by what's the 01:02:32.500 --> 01:02:35.000 industry demand was and what the students 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.500 in our community and their parents have 01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:40.000 showed interest in 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.500 I would chime 01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:45.000 in for just a minute too I think that 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.500 um Franklin 01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:50.000 County Tech is a Shelburne school as 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.500 much as it's a green Field School it's 19 towns 01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:55.000 that owned the school so it's it's a it's a 01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.500 Shelburne School it's not that 01:02:57.500 --> 01:03:00.000 we're trying to take kids from 1 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.500 schooler the next it's that we're trying to find the best place 01:03:02.500 --> 01:03:05.000 for those right kids and each 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.500 of the 19 towns owns a piece of 01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:10.000 the school so it truly is a 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:12.500 school that's owned by this larger community 01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:15.000 and uh I 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.500 that is a as a as a fit we 01:03:17.500 --> 01:03:20.000 also have within our district agreement the number 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.500 of students that we enroll from each town and so forth so 01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:25.000 we try to keep 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.500 that proportion uh appropriate 01:03:27.500 --> 01:03:30.000 it gets into lots of calculations but 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.500 we try you know to look at the students that are eligible 01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:35.000 to change a little bit with a 01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.500 new uh new program that mass um 01:03:37.500 --> 01:03:40.000 Department of Ed has put out but 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.500 essentially we're looking for those right kids and 01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:45.000 we try to and we limit the number 01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.500 number that can come from each district and we 01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:50.000 didn't build a school that could take 800 kids because 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.500 we realized the impact that that would 01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:55.000 also have on our communities and also the population 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.500 in the area when I sat on 01:03:57.500 --> 01:04:00.000 some early meetings with msba 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:02.500 they were thinking we needed to build a school for 75800 01:04:02.500 --> 01:04:05.000 kidds yeah and 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.500 they were arguing with superintendent Martin when 01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:10.000 he said no we don't need a school that big these are 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.500 population Trends this is our region we understand it 01:04:12.500 --> 01:04:15.000 and actually they changed 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.500 their projections to the size of the school that they wanted 01:04:17.500 --> 01:04:20.000 us to build 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.500 so I I probably 01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:25.000 sent too many questions your way and I I just 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.500 want to say I'm sure that you put a tremendous amount of thought 01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:30.000 and effort into all this um my 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:32.500 question really is about the process and who 01:04:32.500 --> 01:04:35.000 who did you expose 01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:37.500 I mean these all sound like great arguments but did 01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:40.000 it go out to a broader population 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.500 than your direct stakeholders 01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:45.000 so that people could critique the 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.500 those kind of things how many programs how many students 01:04:47.500 --> 01:04:50.000 uh is the cost right could we save 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:52.500 money some other way I'm just kind of curious 01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:55.000 about that process and and and the follow-up you 01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.500 know the other question that I wanted to hear is do you know how many 01:04:57.500 --> 01:05:00.000 towns are going to have to go for an override 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.500 if this gets passed 01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:05.000 typically towns will do a debt exclusion um 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.500 on this but uh 01:05:07.500 --> 01:05:10.000 we have we have 20 01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:12.500 we have uh 19 member 01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:15.000 towns and 24 School 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.500 committee members um who are 01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:20.000 fully involved and the 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.500 representatives from all of the towns have 01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:25.000 heard and understand what we're doing uh 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.500 from the very Inception of this program discussions 01:05:27.500 --> 01:05:30.000 um and we this is our third 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.500 public meeting around the project 01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:35.000 and a place for the community to ask 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.500 questions and we're certainly open to them after this 01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:40.000 meeting as well well I think it started um 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:42.500 many years ago it started about 3 01:05:42.500 --> 01:05:45.000 or 4 years ago with my business manager and myself 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.500 when we go out and do our budget presentations 01:05:47.500 --> 01:05:50.000 to all 19 member Towns at 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.500 that point in time we started to talk about 01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:55.000 the project um with us 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.500 select boards and with that finance and you 01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:00.000 know here's something that we have applied for 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.500 for his was coming down the pike right now we didn't have any 01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:05.000 information at the beginning so the information 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.500 came faster and Furious once 01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:10.000 we got the Architects on board and 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.500 the OPM on board because as 01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:15.000 far as us projecting internally 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.500 what we want and we had no idea because it 01:06:17.500 --> 01:06:20.000 needs to go through the correct process which 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.500 is outlined through the msba 01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:25.000 which The Architects and the OPM 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:27.500 have to follow so that whole process really 01:06:27.500 --> 01:06:30.000 ramped up just about a year ago 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.500 go 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.500 Justin 01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:40.000 hi 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.500 Terry Mitchell town of Shelburne finance committee just 01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:45.000 a quick question you would put up a slide 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.500 died earlier that showed the estimated costs 01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:50.000 per Town should the project go 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.500 forward just curious how those 01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:55.000 costs would be included 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:57.500 in the tuition rates 01:06:57.500 --> 01:07:00.000 for non-member towns because you have 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.500 students attending that are not 01:07:02.500 --> 01:07:05.000 from the member Towns 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.500 how have you I will answer 01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:10.000 part 1 and then I'll turn it over to the business manager 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:12.500 for part 2 um part 01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:15.000 1 of that would be that um 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.500 a non-member towns currently pay 01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:20.000 a significant higher 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:22.500 annual increase on average 01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:25.000 around 25,000 as 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.500 compared to the 13,000 per pupil 01:07:27.500 --> 01:07:30.000 that we have on average now 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.500 um and having said 01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:35.000 that because of the state 01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.500 lottery process and US kind of refining 01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:40.000 the admissions process we uh slowly 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.500 fading out like this next incoming 01:07:42.500 --> 01:07:45.000 year we don't have any out of districts 01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.500 is coming in um we are doing all 01:07:47.500 --> 01:07:50.000 our member towns we know the importance of the project we 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:52.500 know that our member towns will have first 01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:55.000 dibs and so moving 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.500 forward that's going to be our strategy 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.500 hi um Jackie 01:08:02.500 --> 01:08:05.000 boydon I'm the uh school 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:07.500 committee representative from the town of Irving but I I had 01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:10.000 a question because I've heard override 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.500 and debt exclusion and I 01:08:12.500 --> 01:08:15.000 was hoping that rich 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.500 explain the 2 options override 01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:20.000 is not always your option if you're 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:22.500 close to your Levy limit there is a process 01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:25.000 called the debt exclusion which is outside of your 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.500 Levy limit but I thought perhaps maybe 01:08:27.500 --> 01:08:30.000 you could explain it a little bit for all those 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.500 don't know 01:08:32.500 --> 01:08:35.000 Jackie you're asking me 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.500 I'm I'm a 01:08:37.500 --> 01:08:40.000 lonely School Committee Member and a and happen to 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.500 be a select board member in my town but um 01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:45.000 I think actually there are here 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.500 who can better answer the exact Nuance between 01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:50.000 those and 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.500 Liz or Jackie perhaps maybe yeah 01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:55.000 Jackie you may be able to answer it better um what I do know 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.500 in working with our financial advisors at uni 01:08:57.500 --> 01:09:00.000 bank um I really wanted to school myself on 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.500 the bonding and and the impact to our towns 01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:05.000 um knowing it it's it's huge um 01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.500 so remember town can vote to exclude from its Levy 01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:10.000 limit either the capital assessments on the debt if 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.500 the district if we issue all the debt 01:09:12.500 --> 01:09:15.000 um or the debt issue Debt Service 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.500 if 1 of the member Community towns issues 01:09:17.500 --> 01:09:20.000 the debt for the project through intermunicipal agreements 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.500 on their own so some of our larger towns may 01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:25.000 decide to take out their own bonds and 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.500 not have the district borrow on their behalf 01:09:27.500 --> 01:09:30.000 um but that's a a 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.500 Vision that each town will make on their own the district won't weigh 01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:35.000 in on that decision for 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.500 the towns 01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:40.000 hopefully that that's probably a really high level summary 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.500 of it but 01:09:42.500 --> 01:09:45.000 Jackie you may have more 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.500 College 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.500 you would be a great teacher asking 01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:55.000 questions you know the answers to 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.500 let me be tired 01:09:57.500 --> 01:10:00.000 as a principal assessor and I'm heavily involved 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.500 in many committees on in the town of 01:10:02.500 --> 01:10:05.000 Irving so there are a couple of options 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.500 you can do 1 is when you're close to your Levy limit 01:10:07.500 --> 01:10:10.000 which some of our communities are 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.500 um if you go over that 01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:15.000 you have to do an override which is about 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.500 it and and a vote right on 01:10:17.500 --> 01:10:20.000 town meeting and on the ballot or you 01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:22.500 do what is known as a debt exclusion but 01:10:22.500 --> 01:10:25.000 a debt exclusion is it's 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.500 limited you can't do it for everything there's 01:10:27.500 --> 01:10:30.000 only certain things you can do with debt exclusion for 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.500 1 of them is this project and what happens 01:10:32.500 --> 01:10:35.000 is you can raise the money yes it 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:37.500 impacts your taxes but it doesn't go 01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:40.000 against your Levy limit 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.500 but I just wanted to clarify the difference 01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:45.000 thank you 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.500 thank you Jackie 01:10:52.500 --> 01:10:55.000 hi Mark Thomas I work at the 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.500 uh Franklin Tech um 01:10:57.500 --> 01:11:00.000 I have a couple concerns my 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:02.500 first concern is that 01:11:02.500 --> 01:11:05.000 we're band dating a building that 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.500 is so old and 01:11:07.500 --> 01:11:10.000 where do we go from there where 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.500 do we uh turn around and 01:11:12.500 --> 01:11:15.000 say okay we've got 50 years out of the 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.500 building and yet what are we going to do 01:11:17.500 --> 01:11:20.000 another 50 and watch it just fall 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:22.500 apart and the other concern I have is 01:11:22.500 --> 01:11:25.000 for our students especially in our 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.500 VOC shops that um 01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:30.000 if there's a disruption 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.500 in education um meaning 01:11:32.500 --> 01:11:35.000 like if the roof is going to be uh 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.500 a 6 to 8 01:11:37.500 --> 01:11:40.000 month project what do we do with 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.500 our students that are in welding and in carpentry 01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:45.000 that they need these 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.500 um tools and so 01:11:47.500 --> 01:11:50.000 I'm concerned about that part of it 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.500 if um if we 01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:55.000 can't get a new school 01:11:57.500 --> 01:12:00.000 so I assume Mark that was more of a 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.500 comment but I will have to say it's closer to 6 01:12:02.500 --> 01:12:05.000 to 8 years to do a roof not 6 to 01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:07.500 8 months 01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:10.000 early why msba 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.500 saw this is a core building 01:12:12.500 --> 01:12:15.000 they wanted us to look at all the options look at 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.500 of renovation look at the additions look at 01:12:17.500 --> 01:12:20.000 those impacts but very early on they 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.500 they were talking a core building because they saw 01:12:22.500 --> 01:12:25.000 the challenges of aoke tech 01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.500 school being able to do those kind of Renovations 01:12:27.500 --> 01:12:30.000 it's not as simple as rolling a 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:32.500 portable classroom in for for 6 years 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.500 uh Larry Langford town 01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:40.000 of Buckland finance committee uh 2 01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.500 questions 1 um 01:12:42.500 --> 01:12:45.000 whether it's that excluded or Levy limit 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.500 somebody's going to have to pay the bill 01:12:47.500 --> 01:12:50.000 so I'm worried that um 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.500 I know that the town 01:12:52.500 --> 01:12:55.000 of Buckland doesn't have an extra 225,000 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.500 lying around to pay for 01:12:57.500 --> 01:13:00.000 the next 30 Years and I wonder how 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.500 so many other little towns are in exactly the same streets 01:13:02.500 --> 01:13:05.000 hence I'm wondering what's 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:07.500 your backup plan if this vote on October 01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:10.000 6th fails we asked in 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.500 February for a list of the project plans 01:13:12.500 --> 01:13:15.000 that you would then jump to so we can 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.500 you get a price tag on the cost of those 01:13:17.500 --> 01:13:20.000 interim projects that you're going to Stagger Inn 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:22.500 but we haven't heard anything uh since 01:13:22.500 --> 01:13:25.000 then can you talk about that 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:27.500 I don't know if you want to talk about the 01:13:27.500 --> 01:13:30.000 how the staging of the capital 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.500 so the project 01:13:32.500 --> 01:13:35.000 that you know um Mr 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:37.500 Martin talked about in the beginning the phased 01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:40.000 project or phased Renovations of 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:42.500 the project and the cost of that is what we outlined 01:13:42.500 --> 01:13:45.000 in the beginning of the presentation 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.500 that is the other option is you 01:13:47.500 --> 01:13:50.000 can either or the next 30 years do 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:52.500 these smaller chunks and 01:13:52.500 --> 01:13:55.000 at the end of all of that project you 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:57.500 still have the same building 01:13:57.500 --> 01:14:00.000 without any of the additional 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.500 space that you need um for 01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:05.000 classrooms or the shop spaces 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.500 it is this there's no I 01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:10.000 rick says this all the time there's 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:12.500 no freeway out of this 01:14:12.500 --> 01:14:15.000 um and um 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.500 you can go back and and look at that uh 01:14:17.500 --> 01:14:20.000 the numbers there again if that that's 01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.500 helpful is that 01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:25.000 so we have that number 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.500 that's over a hundred million dollars to do the renovations 01:14:27.500 --> 01:14:30.000 and they're 15 year bonds so 01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:32.500 even if we stagger them over the next 6 01:14:32.500 --> 01:14:35.000 to 8 years the impact would be fairly 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.500 large on the communities and so we would 01:14:37.500 --> 01:14:40.000 have to take that list and look at what are the highest 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.500 priorities you also have to 01:14:42.500 --> 01:14:45.000 look at the list and it says if you want to do 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.500 to a roof then while you're tearing the roof 01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:50.000 apart and you have part of the building disrupted and 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:52.500 you're needing to do perhaps some structural which 01:14:52.500 --> 01:14:55.000 there's some work that needs to be done then 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:57.500 you need to remove the ceilings so 01:14:57.500 --> 01:15:00.000 then you need to put the sprinklers in so these projects 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.500 turn into a big project and we've 01:15:02.500 --> 01:15:05.000 looked at how that would stage but some of those would 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:07.500 be fairly substantial projects 01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:10.000 to do and it would be very difficult to 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.500 say do 1 finish this and go to the 01:15:12.500 --> 01:15:15.000 next 1 01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:20.000 yeah I have more of a uh 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:22.500 comment than a question uh 01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:25.000 as I sit here I was on the original 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:27.500 school committee to build the building 01:15:27.500 --> 01:15:30.000 that we have currently and 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.500 and 55 years ago we started 01:15:32.500 --> 01:15:35.000 the process we had meetings 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:37.500 similar to this and I 01:15:37.500 --> 01:15:40.000 remember the same questions the same problems 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:42.500 the same contents and 01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:45.000 the thing is is that 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:47.500 uh is never a good time 01:15:47.500 --> 01:15:50.000 and it's not a good time now 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.500 it won't be in 10 01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:55.000 years uh if we try to patch 01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:57.500 this building up as much as I love the building 01:15:57.500 --> 01:16:00.000 and I put 5 years of my life into 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.500 getting it there that um 01:16:02.500 --> 01:16:05.000 we we need to move on and 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.500 you know it's going to cost us 1 01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:10.000 way or the other and I would rather have it 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.500 cost us for a new building than the patch 01:16:12.500 --> 01:16:15.000 and old building and have our children or grandchildren 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:17.500 trying to deal with it another 10 or 15 years 01:16:17.500 --> 01:16:20.000 and cost a whole lot more 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.500 it's like when we built the uh 01:16:22.500 --> 01:16:25.000 the MU Gil uh turnis 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.500 walls High School uh 01:16:27.500 --> 01:16:30.000 it failed 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.500 and the voters said that 01:16:32.500 --> 01:16:35.000 they wanted a a a lesser footprint 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:37.500 more 2 story cheaper 01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:40.000 building to build by the time it took us 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.500 to get new plans 01:16:42.500 --> 01:16:45.000 go out to bid again 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.500 it actually cost us more 01:16:47.500 --> 01:16:50.000 so every day costs are going up I 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:52.500 don't see any options here really um 01:16:52.500 --> 01:16:55.000 it doesn't make any 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:57.500 sense to me to fix the building 01:16:57.500 --> 01:17:00.000 we need to go on with a new 1 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.500 and as far as the um the education I 01:17:02.500 --> 01:17:05.000 mean we come a long ways I mean I graduated 01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:07.500 from Greenfield trade and back 01:17:07.500 --> 01:17:10.000 then um regular school had 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.500 nothing to do with us we were shop rats 01:17:12.500 --> 01:17:15.000 and that's the story that 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.500 today you say you go to Tech and 01:17:17.500 --> 01:17:20.000 you're like oh wow you know you you 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:22.500 you got something going here you got a good education uh 01:17:22.500 --> 01:17:25.000 you got an opportunity and yes 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:27.500 I came out of school and and I went 01:17:27.500 --> 01:17:30.000 right into a trade and I was able to 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.500 make a decent living and um you 01:17:32.500 --> 01:17:35.000 know I've I've been joyful 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:37.500 over the years to 01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:40.000 run into all the different people that 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.500 have graduated that I run into 01:17:42.500 --> 01:17:45.000 that that told me that it made a huge difference 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.500 in their life in fact as he 01:17:47.500 --> 01:17:50.000 mentioned earlier my mechanic and his 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.500 father both graduated from Tech 01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:55.000 and uh I have 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.500 to say the good and you 01:17:57.500 --> 01:18:00.000 know the other thing is is that having 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.500 been through the process 01:18:02.500 --> 01:18:05.000 these people have done 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.500 a tremendous job to get to this point 01:18:07.500 --> 01:18:10.000 with the information that they have and 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.500 the presentation that they're doing and 01:18:12.500 --> 01:18:15.000 so I I applaud them 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:17.500 and thank you for listening 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.500 that up uh briefly with a comment again 01:18:27.500 --> 01:18:30.000 in my role as vocational director at the school 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:32.500 school I look around the room at my colleagues who are here 01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:35.000 and what's not reflected in the 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:37.500 slides is the 01:18:37.500 --> 01:18:40.000 services that we provide for the Townes at 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:42.500 a substantially reduced rate so I'm 01:18:42.500 --> 01:18:45.000 looking back at welding and 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.500 electrical um I know Alec is here 01:18:47.500 --> 01:18:50.000 we've done a huge project for Conway many 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.500 of the municipal towns we 01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:55.000 don't charge nearly the costs 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:57.500 we just recover what we what 01:18:57.500 --> 01:19:00.000 it costs us to provide those 01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.500 services and the skill set for the kids but 01:19:02.500 --> 01:19:05.000 I just wanted to emphasize that 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.500 uh Russ Cobra city 01:19:12.500 --> 01:19:15.000 of Greenfield um Justin you're 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:17.500 2 young to remember but there was a show with Phil 01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:20.000 Donahue and he would run around in a room in 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.500 the room with a microphone um couple 01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:25.000 of quick questions um 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:27.500 to let to Liz and or Rick 01:19:27.500 --> 01:19:30.000 didn't we as 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.500 a school district time some of our debt 01:19:32.500 --> 01:19:35.000 I know windows and doors projects and roofs 01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:37.500 were done um didn't we time 01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:40.000 some of that so that that debt is being completed 01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.500 as the district's going out looking for 01:19:42.500 --> 01:19:45.000 this debt I just want to ask 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.500 that question I think I know the answer but just so that people 01:19:47.500 --> 01:19:50.000 understand some of the uh forethought 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:52.500 that's gone into this and also 01:19:52.500 --> 01:19:55.000 I know these are big scary numbers and I'm looking and I'm writing 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.500 down Greenfield's numbers feverishly um 01:19:57.500 --> 01:20:00.000 but I also know when 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.500 when the slide went up and it said 253 01:20:02.500 --> 01:20:05.000 dollars uh is the average increase 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:07.500 for a Green Field property tax 01:20:07.500 --> 01:20:10.000 payer that that I 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.500 believe is gross and I want to ask this when I don't think you 01:20:12.500 --> 01:20:15.000 know what's coming off of 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.500 Debt Service for towns right you don't know what's 01:20:17.500 --> 01:20:20.000 maturing on the town side that 01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:22.500 the towns may have debt that 01:20:22.500 --> 01:20:25.000 is that is finally coming off their schedule because it's 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:27.500 paid off so I know this numbers tonight are 01:20:27.500 --> 01:20:30.000 the biggest and scariest numbers we'll see 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.500 but I implore everyone to go back to your town and just look 01:20:32.500 --> 01:20:35.000 and see what may be coming off the debt service schedule 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.500 I don't know if that'll help everyone's AA 01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:40.000 or not but it's something to consider so 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.500 I just you know the the the other 01:20:42.500 --> 01:20:45.000 projects that were done on the roof and stuff that 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.500 coming off I think on the tech school is that 01:20:47.500 --> 01:20:50.000 correct it will come off it will come offline 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.500 um there will be some clawback on that 01:20:52.500 --> 01:20:55.000 project because 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.500 and we 01:20:57.500 --> 01:21:00.000 move into the new school the debt for that project 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:02.500 will exceed um that timeline so 01:21:02.500 --> 01:21:05.000 there'll be a few years left remaining 01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.500 on that Bond um so there will be a small clawback 01:21:07.500 --> 01:21:10.000 not small um but there will be a clawback on 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.500 that project um through the MS 01:21:12.500 --> 01:21:15.000 through this grant thank you 01:21:17.500 --> 01:21:20.000 I'm happy to get my steps in 01:21:22.500 --> 01:21:25.000 aerial Elon monteu rich 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:27.500 I have a question for you about eversource 01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:30.000 uh as we know and 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:32.500 terms of our airport monteu airport up 01:21:32.500 --> 01:21:35.000 there um they've refused to make certain upgrades 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:37.500 that would have made a solar array possible and 01:21:37.500 --> 01:21:40.000 now you're talking about a large building that's going 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.500 to use a lot of power that's going to be all electric have 01:21:42.500 --> 01:21:45.000 you had any contact with ever sources to whether they're 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.500 going to make necessary improvements 01:21:47.500 --> 01:21:50.000 there have been discussions on 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.500 ongoing and we've not only discussed 01:21:52.500 --> 01:21:55.000 it with eversource but we've brought it also to 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:57.500 legislative levels so uh I'm confident 01:21:57.500 --> 01:22:00.000 that we will get the power we need 01:22:02.500 --> 01:22:05.000 I don't think it will be substantially 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.500 more than we used by the way 01:22:12.500 --> 01:22:15.000 Jason cusumano um 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:17.500 uh finance committee Shelburne I 01:22:17.500 --> 01:22:20.000 was on the school committee for Mohawk Trail 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:22.500 for 9 years prior to that um 01:22:22.500 --> 01:22:25.000 I have a couple questions about 01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:27.500 the msba um 01:22:27.500 --> 01:22:30.000 I I don't 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.500 understand why msba 01:22:32.500 --> 01:22:35.000 wouldn't match monies on the 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:37.500 repairs um you 01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:40.000 know we've at at Mohawk Trail we've applied 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.500 for um you know much 01:22:42.500 --> 01:22:45.000 smaller projects you know like 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.500 50,000 and they would consider 01:22:47.500 --> 01:22:50.000 matching monies on those so I'm 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.500 a little surprised that at the you 01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:55.000 know 113 million 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:57.500 you know that did go up on 01:22:57.500 --> 01:23:00.000 this slide to 120 something 01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.500 126 or something um 01:23:02.500 --> 01:23:05.000 wouldn't there be msba money to match many 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:07.500 of those repairs um 01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:10.000 and then um 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:12.500 also I am 01:23:12.500 --> 01:23:15.000 surprised by Rick's comment about the roof 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.500 project taking 68 years you can build a 01:23:17.500 --> 01:23:20.000 new school in 2 years but the roof takes 6 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.500 to 8 that seems a little a 01:23:22.500 --> 01:23:25.000 little strange 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.500 phased 01:23:27.500 --> 01:23:30.000 construction so you have to take a portion of the bill 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:32.500 move the kids out do 01:23:32.500 --> 01:23:35.000 the roof on that piece where do 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.500 you move the kids the whole project like 01:23:37.500 --> 01:23:40.000 it's a it's a bigger picture thing but I'll 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:42.500 let him answer the msba uh 01:23:42.500 --> 01:23:45.000 thanks Julie yeah so your 01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.500 projects were probably on a school that was 01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:50.000 deemed viable that it wasn't overcrowded you 01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.500 didn't have other systems 01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:55.000 it wasn't when you submitted your statement of interest 01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.500 for that Grant um 01:23:57.500 --> 01:24:00.000 you didn't indicate that you probably needed 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:02.500 new building so 1 Thing the msba 01:24:02.500 --> 01:24:05.000 has kind of demonstrated over the years is they 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:07.500 don't want to invest money to 01:24:07.500 --> 01:24:10.000 fix a roof on a building 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.500 that's overcrowded and doesn't meet the 01:24:12.500 --> 01:24:15.000 educational needs of the district 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.500 and really that's kind of where we are now with 01:24:17.500 --> 01:24:20.000 the the shops being undersized 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.500 to the the security of of 01:24:22.500 --> 01:24:25.000 having public having to go deeper 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:27.500 within the building to to um 01:24:27.500 --> 01:24:30.000 to go to the public 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:32.500 facing um cosmetology or the 01:24:32.500 --> 01:24:35.000 the uh the cafe um 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:37.500 it's those types of things I think why the msba 01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:40.000 um doesn't participate in 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.500 those types of projects so we did the 01:24:42.500 --> 01:24:45.000 district did do the windows 01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.500 doors about 15 1015 years ago um 01:24:47.500 --> 01:24:50.000 but with the statement of 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:52.500 interest at this point the msba determined 01:24:52.500 --> 01:24:55.000 that they should go for the core program and 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.500 they obviously accepted that so 01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:00.000 they do go through a rigorous process 01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.500 um it's not that we're telling the msba on 01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:05.000 what they should do they tell 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:07.500 us what we're capable of of receiving so you 01:25:07.500 --> 01:25:10.000 kind of follow their lead if you want their dollars 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:12.500 you you you follow their program 01:25:17.500 --> 01:25:20.000 Lori Langford Buckland 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:22.500 Liz uh when you put that property 01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:25.000 tax slide up 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:27.500 I think it was a little confusing 01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:30.000 because that is the 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.500 annual increase 01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:35.000 in the property tax so you multiply that times 01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:37.500 the accumulative number of years in which you're 01:25:37.500 --> 01:25:40.000 going to be asking for that money so it's really 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.500 you know for Buckland it was 6,900 01:25:42.500 --> 01:25:45.000 in on 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:47.500 contacts not just the 212 01:25:47.500 --> 01:25:50.000 yeah I broke it down to annual impact 01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.500 um when you go in the back and 01:25:57.500 --> 01:26:00.000 then I'll be alright this is back and in total cognizance 01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.500 is the time so we will take 01:26:02.500 --> 01:26:05.000 a few more questions hi 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:07.500 I'm uh Ben Niles I work at Tech uh and 01:26:07.500 --> 01:26:10.000 I just wanted to see 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:12.500 if we could get some input from the people in the panel or 01:26:12.500 --> 01:26:15.000 other people who who work at Tech we're knowledgeable 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.500 about this but um uh I've 01:26:17.500 --> 01:26:20.000 been in meetings with 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.500 people in this room uh where we've 01:26:22.500 --> 01:26:25.000 had a bucket in the middle of the the meeting 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:27.500 room to catch uh leak 01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:30.000 leaks from the roof I've toured with principal 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.500 to go room 01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:35.000 by room in the thaw to 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.500 figure out where the rain was going to be coming 01:26:37.500 --> 01:26:40.000 in uh and what pattern it was going to be taking 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.500 along the beams I've talked with the facility 01:26:42.500 --> 01:26:45.000 manager uh who explained 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.500 that there's just leaks that we can't even figure out where 01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:50.000 they're where they're coming from so we're just slapping 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.500 stuff on there so uh this 01:26:52.500 --> 01:26:55.000 is an example the roof to me is a is the 01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.500 easiest example of the fact that this is already in 01:26:57.500 --> 01:27:00.000 process this is not a hypothetical 01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.500 this isn't like this could happen um 01:27:02.500 --> 01:27:05.000 this is something that's already 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:07.500 going on right now in 01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:10.000 in the building and I didn't know if there are more examples 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.500 of that um that I'm not thinking of 01:27:12.500 --> 01:27:15.000 where people could get a sense of kind of 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.500 the actual state of the building as it is uh right 01:27:17.500 --> 01:27:20.000 now 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.500 I think we've already um touched 01:27:22.500 --> 01:27:25.000 upon that at the beginning of the presentation we 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.500 got to some of the major systems and there's 01:27:27.500 --> 01:27:30.000 a lot of other smaller ones but 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.500 we just felt it for the essence of time just to focus 01:27:32.500 --> 01:27:35.000 on the larger ones 01:27:37.500 --> 01:27:40.000 hi there to this to 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.500 this but I just wanted to clarify so so building 01:27:42.500 --> 01:27:45.000 to just the stretch code 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:47.500 was not an option it had to be built 01:27:47.500 --> 01:27:50.000 to Net Zero 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.500 um Net Zero 01:27:52.500 --> 01:27:55.000 ready not zero is a very heavy 01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:57.500 okay okay got it yeah and um 01:27:57.500 --> 01:28:00.000 the stretch code 01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.500 a piece of it um that 01:28:02.500 --> 01:28:05.000 that it does need to meet the stretch code it does 01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:07.500 need to meet lead 4 and 01:28:07.500 --> 01:28:10.000 um yes all of those strings 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.500 are attached to an msba project um 01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:15.000 you have to do that great 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:17.500 that that is a good point about the codes so 01:28:17.500 --> 01:28:20.000 when you ask about okay can we just replace the roof 01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:22.500 can we not do the electrical or some other items 01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:25.000 once you hit 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:27.500 a certain dollar threshold based on the EST 01:28:27.500 --> 01:28:30.000 the assessed value of the building 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.500 you're required to bring the whole building up to code so then you 01:28:32.500 --> 01:28:35.000 you kick in having to insulate 01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:37.500 your exterior envelope so how 01:28:37.500 --> 01:28:40.000 do you do that in in all these these 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:42.500 in these masonry walls so you 01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:45.000 start hitting all these Edition 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:47.500 needs and things that have to be done that 01:28:47.500 --> 01:28:50.000 are required so when 01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:52.500 you talk about a roof being a 01:28:52.500 --> 01:28:55.000 6-year 8-year process well 01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:57.500 if you're doing the roof and your air handling 01:28:57.500 --> 01:29:00.000 equipment on the roof is 2530 years old 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.500 you're probably going to need to replace that equipment 01:29:02.500 --> 01:29:05.000 so do you bother putting on a new curb 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:07.500 to handle that equipment now and then 01:29:07.500 --> 01:29:10.000 if you're doing kind of trying to mix in your a 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:12.500 phased mechanical uh upgrade 01:29:12.500 --> 01:29:15.000 at the same time as you're doing a roof upgrade 01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.500 is the same time as you're doing an electrical upgrade but 01:29:17.500 --> 01:29:20.000 yet you have to get that main equipment for 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.500 the switch gear and so it's it's 01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:25.000 a really complicated process so the numbers 01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:27.500 that we put up here are that are estimators 01:29:27.500 --> 01:29:30.000 gave us for a phased project for this 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.500 repair um is isn't 01:29:32.500 --> 01:29:35.000 based on a fully 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:37.500 developed design it's based 01:29:37.500 --> 01:29:40.000 on their knowledge and their 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.500 understanding of what a phase job might take 01:29:42.500 --> 01:29:45.000 but really we don't know what the 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:47.500 the costs are going to be 6567 01:29:47.500 --> 01:29:50.000 years down the road so um 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.500 I would say that's probably a conservative number of 01:29:52.500 --> 01:29:55.000 the 126 million 01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:57.500 hey good evening everyone 01:29:57.500 --> 01:30:00.000 um my name is mataro Kelly um 01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:02.500 I'm a burniston resident taxpayer former 01:30:02.500 --> 01:30:05.000 alumni of the tech school and actually 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:07.500 a current culinary instructor uh right now uh 01:30:07.500 --> 01:30:10.000 some of the issues I have more of a statement 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.500 to make uh some of the issues we deal with on a 01:30:12.500 --> 01:30:15.000 daily basis in the culinary program is 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.500 power fluctuations where our gas 01:30:17.500 --> 01:30:20.000 will actually shut off and prevent us from being able to do our 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:22.500 lessons with our students it affects our restaurant 01:30:22.500 --> 01:30:25.000 um being able to open sometimes because 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:27.500 our electricity runs our gas 01:30:27.500 --> 01:30:30.000 if that makes any sense I'm a chef not a plumber or a 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:32.500 person um but it affects us 01:30:32.500 --> 01:30:35.000 on a daily basis we have to reroute our schedules figure 01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:37.500 out how we can go about teaching our lesson differently 01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:40.000 we aren't we aren't able to use certain equipment um 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:42.500 it can actually Force us to close down our restaurant 01:30:42.500 --> 01:30:45.000 um that affects our education 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.500 and teaching our students and that's 1 of the many issues we 01:30:47.500 --> 01:30:50.000 have been having major issues with our HVAC 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.500 where the refrigerators uh whether it's the cafeteria 01:30:52.500 --> 01:30:55.000 that's having the borrower freezer space or we're 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.500 using their space because of refrigeration issues um 01:30:57.500 --> 01:31:00.000 I think that if we contribute 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:02.500 to doing the new school project that not 01:31:02.500 --> 01:31:05.000 only is it going to pay off in the long run but 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:07.500 also we're going to be pumping people into the community 01:31:07.500 --> 01:31:10.000 that can make a difference I own a business in 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:12.500 burniston now and I'm just a kid from Turners 01:31:12.500 --> 01:31:15.000 Falls that had dreams of cooking and loved cooking 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.500 and I was able to open my own barbecue business and 01:31:17.500 --> 01:31:20.000 I tried to teach the kids that you know with 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:22.500 drive and determination and you know having 01:31:22.500 --> 01:31:25.000 great instructors they can make a huge impact on your life and 01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:27.500 now I never thought I'd be an instructor ever 01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:30.000 and now I'm in the same seat 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.500 you know teaching where Chef Pike taught me how to be a 01:31:32.500 --> 01:31:35.000 young culinary in so I just believe in you 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:37.500 know if we do the right thing now it's going to pay off 01:31:37.500 --> 01:31:40.000 in the future and we're going to have people who can contribute to 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.500 the community um and make 01:31:42.500 --> 01:31:45.000 things even better and have people who are paying 01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:47.500 taxes and opening businesses and supporting the 01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:50.000 economy of our community it's 1 big revolutionary 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:52.500 Circle right 01:31:57.500 --> 01:32:00.000 motivated by barbecue 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:02.500 through that sounds good to me any 01:32:02.500 --> 01:32:05.000 last questions as 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:07.500 we get close to time 01:32:07.500 --> 01:32:10.000 see 1 here in the corner 01:32:12.500 --> 01:32:15.000 hey uh John pilia welding instructor 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.500 and uh I just want to say a couple things uh 01:32:17.500 --> 01:32:20.000 piggyback on a bunch of stuff and um you 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:22.500 know I've been to a shop teacher for over 20 years and 01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:25.000 um you know when 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:27.500 you invest in the tech school you're not just investing 01:32:27.500 --> 01:32:30.000 in the building you're investing in the community 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:32.500 right so these kids stay here 01:32:32.500 --> 01:32:35.000 they build houses here their 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:37.500 kids go to Tech we're on the third 01:32:37.500 --> 01:32:40.000 generation of those kids at the tech 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.500 um you know and I'm a Storyteller 01:32:42.500 --> 01:32:45.000 right we had a kid a kid a grown 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:47.500 mayad who came in today is in his 30s and 01:32:47.500 --> 01:32:50.000 he came by and um I 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:52.500 took my students out to see him and 01:32:52.500 --> 01:32:55.000 to see his truck his work truck you know and this 01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.500 is the kind of stuff that these guys love right so this is like this 01:32:57.500 --> 01:33:00.000 custom build 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:02.500 $200,000 work truck and this guy travels up 01:33:02.500 --> 01:33:05.000 and down to England repairing heavy equipment 01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:07.500 right certified welder making 01:33:07.500 --> 01:33:10.000 hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and I 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.500 take my do you want to go see this guy yeah I want to see 01:33:12.500 --> 01:33:15.000 this guy and it's like he was just like mataro he would 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:17.500 just like a kid who came up you know from nothing from 01:33:17.500 --> 01:33:20.000 from rural western Mass Franklin 01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:22.500 County and the 01:33:22.500 --> 01:33:25.000 tech school provided for him those 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:27.500 fundamental skills from which he 01:33:27.500 --> 01:33:30.000 became certified well during continue to 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.500 get more certifications to increase his pay we 01:33:32.500 --> 01:33:35.000 have kids that are not even 21 that are 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:37.500 buying their own houses like for 01:33:37.500 --> 01:33:40.000 real not everybody does that but it's pretty impressive 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.500 and when you see those numbers 65% 01:33:42.500 --> 01:33:45.000 of kids from our school 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:47.500 stay in their trade and stay in this area 01:33:47.500 --> 01:33:50.000 you don't see that that's for real like I've 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.500 been to the other schools in the state and they they 01:33:52.500 --> 01:33:55.000 go to they go to their school and then they just leave they 01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:57.500 don't they don't invest in the community like 01:33:57.500 --> 01:34:00.000 they do here you know and 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:02.500 you know to the comments about the money I'm I'm not not a 01:34:02.500 --> 01:34:05.000 money guy right but it it 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:07.500 it is tough times and it's never going to get cheaper 01:34:07.500 --> 01:34:10.000 there never is a good time like Mr Carpenter 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:12.500 said over there but when they built the School 50 01:34:12.500 --> 01:34:15.000 years ago they said we need 01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.500 we need this the community needs this these 01:34:17.500 --> 01:34:20.000 the school meets the needs of these kids 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:22.500 that are not going to Aspire 01:34:22.500 --> 01:34:25.000 to go to college for 60 70 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.500 800 thousand dollars a year right when 01:34:27.500 --> 01:34:30.000 they this kid comes in in his truck and they 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.500 we see that he's barely 30 and 01:34:32.500 --> 01:34:35.000 he's making good money he's got a nice family and 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:37.500 a home and all that stuff that's what they aspire 01:34:37.500 --> 01:34:40.000 to and that's what we we aspire to build 01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.500 a facility to meet those needs you 01:34:42.500 --> 01:34:45.000 know like in kitchen like in the kitchen 01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.500 the welding shops the same thing we're very 01:34:47.500 --> 01:34:50.000 Industrial in there we've had uh the electrical 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:52.500 shop in there many times and we're we're maxed out we 01:34:52.500 --> 01:34:55.000 can't I have I have um 01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:57.500 no more electricity no 01:34:57.500 --> 01:35:00.000 more Outlets to plug into for our welder 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.500 welding machines and for my students so 01:35:02.500 --> 01:35:05.000 it becomes as a teacher logistically 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.500 difficult to to to meet that demand when 01:35:07.500 --> 01:35:10.000 the building is so old 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:12.500 at the end of the day and and fixing 01:35:12.500 --> 01:35:15.000 it is really not an option 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:17.500 so I just want to say you 01:35:17.500 --> 01:35:20.000 know when you support the support 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:22.500 the school you support the kids you support the community 01:35:22.500 --> 01:35:25.000 thank you 01:35:27.500 --> 01:35:30.000 Brian Winslow I'm a Northfield 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.500 president and visit teacher it's always 01:35:32.500 --> 01:35:35.000 hard to follow John so I'll just be quick um 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:37.500 being 01:35:37.500 --> 01:35:40.000 a phys ed teacher I switched over to Fizz 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.500 had a couple years ago and I never realized how 01:35:42.500 --> 01:35:45.000 many community events we hold in our gymnasium 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:47.500 we hold voting in our gymnasium we 01:35:47.500 --> 01:35:50.000 have AP exams tomorrow in 01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:52.500 the gymnasium and I 01:35:52.500 --> 01:35:55.000 know that's sounds small to everybody else but to 01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.500 the gym teacher who's looking at the weather forecast it's 01:35:57.500 --> 01:36:00.000 a big deal so it just kind of talks about 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:02.500 out like the the community space that I know we 01:36:02.500 --> 01:36:05.000 talked they talked about not possibly having a 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:07.500 big Auditorium and using more of a community 01:36:07.500 --> 01:36:10.000 space and it's great for Chamber of Commerce breakfast 01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.500 that are usually in the gym we got 01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:15.000 all types of events and we're seeing the community 01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:17.500 all the time so I just want to say a 01:36:17.500 --> 01:36:20.000 new building will give the space that is 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:22.500 needed to continue providing those 01:36:22.500 --> 01:36:25.000 community events but also providing the gym 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:27.500 teacher something to do some place to go when it 01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:30.000 rains out oh no 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:32.500 don't cancel PE 01:36:32.500 --> 01:36:35.000 I think uh we are 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:37.500 very close to our time I just want to thank everyone 01:36:37.500 --> 01:36:40.000 is there another question 01:36:42.500 --> 01:36:45.000 I just 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.500 hello here I am um 01:36:47.500 --> 01:36:50.000 I'm Rick Lain um 01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:52.500 I'll bear I 01:36:52.500 --> 01:36:55.000 should say I spent 34 years in 01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:57.500 Franklin County Tech um 26 01:36:57.500 --> 01:37:00.000 of them teaching 8 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:02.500 administrator and I just wanted to address your 01:37:02.500 --> 01:37:05.000 question or your statement about 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:07.500 the other models for 01:37:07.500 --> 01:37:10.000 vocational education and uh 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.500 most of this country does not use 01:37:12.500 --> 01:37:15.000 this model 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:17.500 Massachusetts model where the kids decide 01:37:17.500 --> 01:37:20.000 in ninth grade to go to the tech school and 01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.500 they stay there for 4 years is somewhat 01:37:22.500 --> 01:37:25.000 unique and I believe it's based 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.500 on a European model more 01:37:27.500 --> 01:37:30.000 and it's based that way because if 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:32.500 values Vocational Technical education 01:37:32.500 --> 01:37:35.000 as 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:37.500 high value and that was not always the case 01:37:37.500 --> 01:37:40.000 I was around in 1978 when 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.500 the school opened and well I 01:37:42.500 --> 01:37:45.000 won't go there the values situ 01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:47.500 situation was much different 01:37:47.500 --> 01:37:50.000 um but as a math teacher I was um 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:52.500 I was 01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:55.000 taught in a regular academic high school I went 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.500 to a regular academic college and 01:37:57.500 --> 01:38:00.000 I started teaching math at Franklin County Tech 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.500 and it wasn't working 01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:05.000 the regular academic approach 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:07.500 to teaching math for these kids was 01:38:07.500 --> 01:38:10.000 turning them off so 01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.500 what did I do I was teaching geometry 01:38:12.500 --> 01:38:15.000 it's my love my favorite subject 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:17.500 I spent a lot of time with carpentry instructors 01:38:17.500 --> 01:38:20.000 to learn what geometry they 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.500 needed and how they taught it I 01:38:22.500 --> 01:38:25.000 spent some time with plumbers because there's some 01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:27.500 geometry that there's shortcuts that they 01:38:27.500 --> 01:38:30.000 use that I wasn't aware of 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:32.500 and as I had those conversations that was 01:38:32.500 --> 01:38:35.000 incorporated into my instruction 01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:37.500 um I also was 01:38:37.500 --> 01:38:40.000 asked to teach a Physics course once 01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:42.500 again I had physics in high school I had 01:38:42.500 --> 01:38:45.000 physics in college and 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:47.500 after my experience teaching math I knew I 01:38:47.500 --> 01:38:50.000 had better not try to teach it the same way I 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.500 learned it and sure enough I was 01:38:52.500 --> 01:38:55.000 introduced to a curriculum that 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.500 was written by vocational academical 01:38:57.500 --> 01:39:00.000 teachers for vocational 01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:02.500 technical students that taught 01:39:02.500 --> 01:39:05.000 physics that plumbers need to know that electricians 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:07.500 need to know that Carpenters need to 01:39:07.500 --> 01:39:10.000 know and that the instructor needed 01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:12.500 to learn because I spent a lot of time talking 01:39:12.500 --> 01:39:15.000 to those instructors that will not have 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:17.500 if we're in 1 building and they're 01:39:17.500 --> 01:39:20.000 in the other building 20 miles away we have the best model 01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.500 we really do and I'm prejudiced 01:39:22.500 --> 01:39:25.000 but I still think it's the best model 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:32.500 well thank you very 01:39:32.500 --> 01:39:35.000 much to everyone we appreciate you again coming 01:39:35.000 --> 01:39:37.500 out uh I'll call your attention to a 01:39:37.500 --> 01:39:40.000 few things first are 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:42.500 those half-page flyers on your tables 01:39:42.500 --> 01:39:45.000 this QR code or the web 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:47.500 site listed on the bottom will bring you to the schools 01:39:47.500 --> 01:39:50.000 new building project website where you can get all 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:52.500 of the details you are also welcome 01:39:52.500 --> 01:39:55.000 to take these and there's extra copies in the back back 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:57.500 to your constituents or your your 01:39:57.500 --> 01:40:00.000 communities to share 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.500 and the last thing that we should share is 01:40:02.500 --> 01:40:05.000 uh the vote is October 6th 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:07.500 that has been uh decided so October 6th 01:40:07.500 --> 01:40:10.000 we encourage everybody to go to the polls and cast 01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.500 their vote we appreciate you all coming thank 01:40:12.500 --> 01:40:15.000 you to our panel uh and 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:17.500 we wish you all a good night